DCPL Spring 2007

[Sparky]

This season is the last dcpl before the league is frozen next september. The results from this season will be hugely important and will decide who gets the automatic places next season. Entries are now closed and the final league structure for this season is shown below! The standard of division 3 and 4 has increased hugely and is now very competitive..best of luck to all teams. League timetables will be published here within the next 24hrs.

Regards
Sparky

Division 1
Bad Company (New Team - North Kildare CC)
Bazaar
Cyclones (Promoted)
Derek's Team (sub team of SWINK)
Kamakazie
Nemises
Spectre

Division 2
DCU Assassins (Previously Dropouts)
DCU Bandits (Previously Chancers - Promoted)
Dredgers
Grade 5
Mighty Ducks (Relegated)
Red Rage
WWW

Division 3
Armitage Shanks
Aquacats (Promoted)
Big fish
DCU Conmen (New Team)
Midlanders (Promoted)
Okey Dokey
Wasserratten (Relegated)

Division 4
Cuckoos (New Team)
DCU Daredevils (New Team)
Gremlins (Previously Hussies - Promoted)
High Voltage (Relegated)
Rejects
Voodoo (Relegated)

Division 5
DCU Enforcers (Previously Tadpoles - Relegated)
DCU Fire - Eaters (Previously Frogspawn)
Gorillaz
Cavemen
Rough riders (Previously wwkc juniors)
Stingrays (New Team)

[Unregi9999]

WHEN ARE WE CHANGING THE NAME OF THE LEAGUE TO THE DCU LEAGUE.

I DONT SEE HOW YOU CAN RELEGATE A TEAM FINISHING WITH TWO TEAMS BELOW THEM JUST SO YOU CAN MAKE WAY FOR A NEW DCU TEAM. THIS STINKS AND IS TOTALLY UNFAIR. THERE WOULDNT BE A DCU MEMBER ON THE COMMITTEE WOULD THEIR.

DCU CONMEN IS RIGHT

HOW CAN YOU JUSTIFY RELEGATING A TEAM FROM DIV 3 WHO WON THE DIVISION TWO SEASONS AGO AND FINISHED ON 24 POINTS WITH TWO TEAMS BELOW THEM THIS SEASON. WHAT GIVES YOU THE RIGHT TO UNFAIRLY PUSH A TEAM DOWN A DIVISION WHO WERE NOT RELEGATED AND WERE HOLDING THEIR OWN IN DIVISION 3

THE COMMITTEE ARE REALLY MAKING THIS A LEAGUE TO BE PROUD OF.

THIS STINKS

[Sparky]

Unlike your cowardly actions (posting without your name) the committee decisions are open and the league ranking process hasnt changed. The committe is made up of 3 WWKC members, 2 DCU members and a North kildare member. All Of whom were involved in the decision making!

All teams are welcome to discuss their team ranking with the committee and make a case. Posting acquasations without any knowledge of the facts is a true sign of an immature, ill-informed fool!

[missy]

not that I am in agreement with the new DCPL system but....

The chancers were in DIV 3 last season and were DCU they are nolonger there and there is a new DCU team in its place.

A similar thing occured to my team last saeson we were relegated to DIV 3 and then won it to show what a mistake it was.

all i can say is kick ass in DIV 4 though the games may be poorer standard,

and if you care that much dont voice your opinions anonymously stand up for yourself.

but trust me, DCU do not get easy entry to divisions

[Sparky]

I'd just like to point out once again that this is not a new DCPL system...

It is the same system that has always been used... Check the entry forms..Its states that final decision as to which division a team gets put into will be the committees..this has always been the rule.

DCU Conmen seem to be the team mentioned most..so just to clear up a few points. DCU conmen applied to enter division 2! they have also been dropped down.

Also to clear up an earlier point. The team that won division 3 two season ago really only won division 4 we used to have division 2a and 2b till last season. So no team winning div 3 (2b) two season ago is now been relegated to div 4.

[VooDoo 4]

I have no idea of a system in place but i would like to appeal the decision of VooDoo being "relegated" into division 4.

I don't know who posted the response to the league but i do agree with the points made in the post.

My Points Are:

1.
Two Teams were relegated into Division 4, 2 Teams were promoted to Division 3 but VooDoo were 3rd from bottom, i dont see a third team getting promoted.

2.
DCU Conmen are a new team, how can a new team be ranked above a team that has been playing for 3 years and finish close to mid-table.

3.
When did the rules of the league change and state that the bottom 3 teams were to be relegated, and if this is a new rule why has this not been inforced in all divisions.

4.
Why was this decision made without prior notification to, well, ourselves that we were being relegated, despite finishing above relegation.

5.
Why did i hear through the grapevine that we were relegated to division 4 and not officially from the Committee, through e-mail, or any other way, which would have given me time to appeal this decision properly and not on a public forum.

6.
Why did our team pay full league entry fee for last season, when we were going to be discarded, regardless of our finishing position.

7.
Why have High Voltage also been relegated when they are in the exact same position as us. They did not finish in the 1 relegation place that was know about and they have every right, like us, to continue playing in division 3, where they also have been fighting to stay.

8.
I would expect the Committee to correct the obvious mistakes of the new leagues which are:

A - To move VooDoo and High Voltage back into Division 3
B - To move DCU Conmen and Midlanders back into Division 4

Regards,

Keith Irvine

[Sparky]

There is not, and has never been a rule of promotion or relegation in place in DCPL. (Will be from September 07 for top 2 divisions) All the teams entering are ranked by the committee and are then placed into the divisions accordingly. All divisions are top filled. So if only 6 teams enter division 1 then the highest ranked division 2 team is forced up into division 2. As has happenend to Bad company this season!

6 teams applied to enter division 1
10 teams applied to enter division 2 (1 team forced up - 2 forced down)
9 teams applied to enter division 3 (4 teams forced down)
5 teams aplied to enter division 4 (3 teams forced down)
3 teams applied to enter division 5

Result: 10 teams placed into divisions other than what they applied for!
this is not new or unusual

[VooDoo 4]

Just one more quick point,

can i change my entry for a place in Division 3 to an entry into Division 1.

hopefully now i will get dropped down into division 2.

this rule makes no sense, every team can apply to div 2.

you can't use this as a reasonable arguement.

also how can conmen be forced down if they have not played in a division yet.

they should be placed into a division where there is a place available, not put into the division highest that you think they can play and another team forced down,

that makes no sense.

i would strongly hope the committee would give a reasonable answer for their decision or correct the leagues.

regards,

keith irvine

[darrenr]

Keith,

You do make excellent points, which are all well thought out, well articulated, and when taken solely on their merits, make a lot of sense and I would agree with some of them.

That being said, the committee met the other night and painstakingly went through each of the entries, and as Sparky highlighted, ranked them according to how strong each team was, and tried in so far as possible to be fair to all the teams to ensure that all teams got as many competitive games as possible.

We tried to be fair to all the teams, and sometimes that is the problem in itself, that when you try to be fair to all the teams, it will always be deemed unfair by others. You have highlighted two cases where, in your opinion, you feel that there was gross unfairness.

We, as a committee, will be meeting later on in the week where I will bring up your appeal (although it is not really bringing appeals to the committee's attention when it is highlighted in an open forum and has already been responded to by the secretary) & (I'm also sure the committee will be in correspondence with each other over mail), so I'll rephrase and say that I will ensure your objections have been taken on board with particular reference to point 8 from your post:

>A - To move VooDoo and High Voltage back into Division 3
>B - To move DCU Conmen and Midlanders back into Division 4

I would also like to add that the committee, when it met, was impartial to the clubs and teams that each member represented and I do find a problem with it being labelled a DCU run league.

Darren

[Effe]

I personally think the committee has given a very reasonable explaination for what's going on. As far as I know each team is placed based on its players ability so even if you had applied for DIV 1 if the players on your team were judged to be weaker than those of the other DIV 3 teams, you would still end up in Div 4!

Sure, it has worked out badly for you but I would like to say congratulations to the DCPL committee! It is obvious the standard of polo in the DCPL is getting far higher if established teams like yourselves are being pushed down. This is brilliant for Irish polo and has come as a result of the committee doing their best to eliminate the problems faced by the Dublin League in previous years (... ie players switching teams each season, timetable changes and lots of scratched matches.... )

Everyone seems to be interested in polo again and teams are training more that ever to push their way up through the divisions and not allow themselves to finish in the bottom half of their tables.

The current committee has done a brilliant job and this is just a case of "you can't please all of the people all of the time" you may as well ask God why he lets bad things happen to good people :p

Have a clean sheet next season and prove to the committee you should be up a div :)

[Sparky]

ok last post by me on the topic...email any further suggestions to the dcpl committee secretary@dublincanoepolo.ie

why are voodoo, high Voltage playing division 4? The committee has ranked all the teams and decided that both teams are weaker than all of the other teams playing in the divisions above them.

[lmc]

As I know being on the comittee is not easy and you always get the blame and not the praise you deserve but you did say at the start of the season


"The top team in each division will be promoted to a higher division. The lowest team in each division will be relegated to a lower division. A second team from a division may be promoted only where there is space in the higher division."

The above does not state that where a new team of what is perceived to be of a higher standard wishes to start in a higher league, that additional teams within that league can be demoted. In light of this you can see why the feel hard done by
But it does also say at the top of all entry forms
"Division: (1,2,3,4A,4B...Final choice will be committees!)
and that is what they have done.

Niall :thumbup:

[Robert]

Well apart from the whole we finished no were near the bottom arguement, where can one find the finial league tables for the Aut 06 league? the Dublin Canoe Polo site hasn't been updated since 17 nov, unless I need to be a gamer and find the secret key to access the upper level etc....

Just one point on the number of players from a team on the committe. In the mid 90's there was 4 members from 1 team on the committe. A ruling was voted in that no more than 2 members from 1 team were allowed on the committe. This was not to read 2 members from 1 club. This rule probably went missing sometime after then, as did most other rules brought into the DCPL.

The sooner the DCPC get the rule book together, the sooner all players will reliease than the committe have a hard job to do and are like ourselves, players...

[Effe]

Well apart from the whole we finished no were near the bottom arguement, where can one find the finial league tables for the Aut 06 league?



The final standings were emailed out after the last night of games. If you are not on the mailing list then talk to the captain of your team they would have received it. :cool:

(Another good thing this years committee has kept up, well done lads :thumbup: )

[darrenr]

final tables are now up on the http://www.dublincanoepolo.ie

all the fixtures/results/statistics for the season will follow shortly.

[Robert]

Cheers. :wavey:

[justaquickpoint]

3 players from the DCU conmen team were on the team that won div 3 last season

[Alex]

I too would like to congratulate the Committee on the fine job they are doing of refreshing the whole DCPL experience for teams. Being a member on the Midlanders team I am happy that we have been promoted - reasons to follow!

I have played at all levels in DCPL Div1, Div2 and Div3, last year after a 3 year absense from polo I with the help of some club members from Inny Kayak Club setup a pitch and started Canoepolo down in Ballymahon during the summer. We ran a beginners course and introduced them to polo.

From that course in July we got a team together and started some training. We traveled to the competition in Enniskillen in August and entered Div 3 expecting to be well hammered. As it turned out the team played fantastic got into the final and won by a goal.

We then entered the Irish Open in Div 3 and narrowly missed a place in the final taking home 3rd place.

From there we entered DCPL, we wanted to get into Div 3 but were put into Div 4 based on the committees decision. We have now come second in Div 4 by goal difference and would have won except for a fantastic goal from the halfway line in the last 15 seconds by Disco Paddlers leaving the score 12-1.

With all this in mind our team is chomping at the bit to move up through the ranks of DCPL. These guys on my team only started playing polo in July 2006 and two of them only began paddling at that time. The other 3 members have been paddling for less that 3 years each. So it is important for them to have a chance to move up to a more difficult division where hopefully some of their inflated egos :Dwill get a slight dressing down!:p

However for polo in Ireland to progress, it is important for teams to work hard at getting better. If they just stay in the stagnent in the same place and never really move anywhere it does not do them justice, they need to be pushed to improve their skills and so move up the divisions.

A team who started in Div 3 three years ago should at this stage improved enough to challenge Div 2 teams for their places in that Division! I would hope that by this time next year the Midlanders team is good enough to give all the Div 2 teams a run for their money. Only time and trainig will tell.

As it stands the teams who have been relegated this season should now use it as a chance to work on their skills and improve enough to move back up while maybe also winning that division.

Just my two cents worth!

[AnneTroy]

From the Voodoo perspective we feel that we have been relegated down to allow Midlanders and Conmen to play Div 3. Based on the DCPL Autumn
2006 Welcome letter we feel an injustice has been done.

From the DCPL 2006 Autumn Welcome Letter “All divisions will run using the same format. Each team will play every other team in their division exactly twice. The final positions at the end of the league will decide the league winners. There will be no playoff games. Except if needed to separate two teams equal on points, goal difference etc.
The top team in each division will be promoted to a higher division.
The lowest team in each division will be relegated to a lower division.
A second team from a division may be promoted only where there is space in the higher division.”

From the Vodoo perspective, we finished third from the bottom in Div 3 so therefore we should not have been relegated down. Aquacats beat Midlanders on Goal Difference, so hence earned the right to be promoted. Midlanders could have been promoted if there was a space in Div 3. Vodoo applied this season to play in div 3 but have been relegated down regardless of the fact that we did not finish lowest in the division.


Also from the letter
“Teams entering under a different name, with 3 or more of the players from a pervious team will be considered to be the pervious team for ranked purposes.”
“New teams will have to start in a lower division and earn promotion to these divisions. The committee may grant exemptions only where there is space in the requested division. It is hoped that this rule will encourage teams to stay together and remove the huge turn around and change in teams that currently exists.

On this and in reference to Justaquickpoint post: “3 players from the DCU conmen team were on the team that won div 3 last season”

From this Voodoo are reading that 3 players on the new Conmen team played for Chancers in the Autunm 2006 league. Based on this Voodoo are presuming that Chancers have split into two separate teams, Bandits (previously known as Chancers) who are now playing in Div 2 (and should have 3 players from Chancers) and Conmen who have been assigned to play in Div 3) and should also have three players from Chancers.

In relation to the DCPL letter, where teams entering a division will be ranked on their previous team name, should both the Bandits and Conmen now both be playing Div 2. Seeing as they now appear to have split into two individuals teams, and does this team split not go against the rule as stated above “encourage teams to stay together and remove the huge turn around and change in teams that currently exists.”

Cheers,
Anne (from the Voodoo)

[Sparky]

Ok I did Say that I wouldnt reply to any more of these but i just had to point out one thing! Anne's points above are all very well made and its clear to see why her team would feel unhappy....

However! The first section of the letter Anne is quoting with all the new rule changes states that all of these rules will be come into effect in Autumn 07! These rules dont exist yet!
:wavey:

[Robert]

League timetables will be published here within the next 24hrs.

Liar Liar Pants on Fire.:hump:

Just tought I tries to lift the athomsphere within this Thread.
:matrix:

Always wanted to use the Matrix Smilie.....:wavey:

[missy]

seems chancers are getting bandied about here......

Stephen dono and yvonne are 3 chancers players in div 2, not sure of our new name.

and there are 3 brian/kate/lenny (i think) in div 3

[Kohhal]

...However! The first section of the letter Anne is quoting with all the new rule changes states that all of these rules will be come into effect in Autumn 07! These rules dont exist yet!
:wavey:

Guess they didn't read the small print

[orky]

actually midlanders and aquacats finished equal on goal difference

[Nutter]

Any sign of the timetable yet:wavey:

[Sparky]

The Issueing of the timetable has been delayed until all objections have been dealt with by the committee. So Sorry for any delays

All issues have now been dealt with by the committee and the timetable can now be released...However i dont have a copy here to post up so 2moro morning will have to do!

[Nutter]

Thanks Sparky.....as obliging as always!:thumbup: