Illegal kayak tackle

[happywolfie]

Hi,
Will appreciate some advice from referees here about kayak tackles where the tackler mounts up on the ball-holder's spraydeck. Read on the UK canoepolo website (http://www.canoepolo.org.uk/rules/33?PHPSESSID=e364c5a1989f585b90d8684691a35e98) that

33.2 Any kayak-tackle where the kayak comes in contact with the opponent's spray deck following a legal tackle will not be penalised unless the player continues to tackle into the spray deck.

What if the tackler mounts up the spraydeck and stay there attempting to block the pass? I see this situation everyday during the natl champs but apparently referees consistently don't call the foul, so wonder if that is considered a legal challenge (meaning the tackler can stay in that position up on the spraydeck, and the ball holder have no right to push the boat away).

Will appreciate the enlightening responses, thanks!

Yonghui
NTU/Vortex

[Fievel]

Hi,
33.2 Any kayak-tackle where the kayak comes in contact with the opponent's spray deck following a legal tackle will not be penalised unless the player continues to tackle into the spray deck.


Only if the offensive player keeps paddling forward while on the spraydeck. That is tackling into the spraydeck.

What if the tackler mounts up the spraydeck

Mounts up as long as no hitting body contact. There will be no foul. Nothing dangerous.


stay there attempting to block the pass?

staying there is not dangerous as long as the boat neva goes all the way up to the defensive player's body & presses down on it.

while blocking the ball;
the offensive player while on top, must becareful when using the paddle to block. if the paddle is too close to the opponent's hand, den an illegal paddle foul will be called.

the tackler can stay in that position up on the spraydeck, and the ball holder have no right to push the boat away


yes. the defensive player cannot push the boat away. by pushing the boat away is making use of non-self team equipment to his/her advantage (more angles to pass the ball away), a holding will be called against the defending player. while the offensive player cannot put his paddle too close to the defending player's hands.

I hope this helps. :twocents:


btw, i do face this situation once in the competition. while my team plays against Vortex.

Situation goes like this;
The attacking player went loose during my team's man-marking.

A long pass from his team mate, he has to paddle forward to get the ball.

I chased up in time & went up his spraydeck.

No knocking of my boat towards his body. So no foul is called.

He was a right hander, i came from his left.

I raise my paddle attempting to block his shot. My boat was up on his spraydeck, so its very close. But my paddle is not close to his hand to do have any foul blown against me.

However, the attacking player used his left hand & pulled my paddle & arm away from his shooting angle & press my paddle down. I cannot use my paddle to block anymore.

Then he shot into the open goal.

The referee awarded a goal. No illegal holding was called.


I was shocked. Questions filled my mind. But luckily its not a draw or lose match. So i quickly forgotten it.

Yonghui, that's your team mate right?
very dirty sia...

ya.. this was my incident. haha...
wad else can be worst?

Jackson

[Raymond Liow]

Hi,
Will appreciate some advice from referees here about kayak tackles where the tackler mounts up on the ball-holder's spraydeck. Read on the UK canoepolo website (http://www.canoepolo.org.uk/rules/33?PHPSESSID=e364c5a1989f585b90d8684691a35e98) that

33.2 Any kayak-tackle where the kayak comes in contact with the opponent's spray deck following a legal tackle will not be penalised unless the player continues to tackle into the spray deck.

What if the tackler mounts up the spraydeck and stay there attempting to block the pass? I see this situation everyday during the natl champs but apparently referees consistently don't call the foul, so wonder if that is considered a legal challenge (meaning the tackler can stay in that position up on the spraydeck, and the ball holder have no right to push the boat away).

Will appreciate the enlightening responses, thanks!

Yonghui
NTU/Vortex

Yonghui,

Jackson has quite rightly gave some answers to your qn. However, there are some incorrect points hence I would clarify here.

It would be possible for a player to mount another player's kayak for so long as it's done safely. "To mount safely" would mean two things:

i. There is no potential danger for the mounting kayak to injure the mounted player; and
ii. The mounting player's paddle is out of arm's reach of his opponent. [Jackson said "not too close", which is subjective.]

To answer your second question, players who are in a mounted situation would only be able to push each other's kayak away in a controlled manner only when neither player is in possession of the ball or when neither player is fighting for the ball.

I shall not comment on the latter portion of Jackson's post.

[happywolfie]

Hi Jackson,

Thanks for the information given, that helped to clarify things for me as I'm not referee-trained.

As for your comments on my teammate's action, honestly I think the sarcasm is uncalled for. Why feel sore about what happened on the court in a match long past, and take advantage of my innocent post to rant about it? My team, and I believe everyone elses', has been on the losing ends of uncalled fouls or referee decisions some time or another too.

Not sure what response you wanted from me by your mentioning of the incident, but I suggest that we let the incident stay in the past.

[Fievel]

As for your comments on my teammate's action, honestly I think the sarcasm is uncalled for.

wad sarcasm do you see from my post? i believe i did not show any sarcasm. please QUOTE IN BOLD, to show me. :thumbdown





Why feel sore about what happened on the court in a match long past, and take advantage of my innocent post to rant about it?


Yes, i know yours is an innocent post. how did i take advantage of it?
Feeling sore? Do you think i'm sore? Oh my god. Its good to have a team mate like you, to be defensive for your team. But i think it kind of made you stupid. Please open your eyes WIDER to see that i'm just trying to share some similar incidents. But too bad, it comes from your team. :thumbdown

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I simply just HATE people who accuse me of things i had neva done. Please read & process things CAREFULLY before replying. Thank you. btw, you are welcome for saying thanks. but not for ACCUSING.

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Hey raymond,

thanks for the enlightenment. :)
i think people just need you to reply their refereeing enquires.
i dun wish to help & get accused.

:twocents:

[Raymond Liow]

I hope both parties can cool themselves down. If you wish to discuss further, pls take it offline.

I'm closing this thread.