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Is a Dancer a polo boat??
Cause i can get 1 really cheap i just need to know thanks
dave
It's a big fat pointy ended plastic river boat.
Polo Kayaks in NZ:
COMPOSITE (Made of Kevlar, Carbon Kevlar or Fibreglass)
Vampire, Vampire S, Vampire S 2001 (Kayaks Plus)- get from Fergs Kayaks
Flame, Flame Deluxe and Flame 2002 (Virtuosity)- email "cpbutler" from the members list on this forum
Rogue (Paddling perfection)
Mischief (Yoz)- light paddlers
Xebec
Powerplay (intermediate level) (AC Fibreglass, Auckland)
Quality Kayaks have an Intermediate level boat, I forget the name but it's new..
Stingray (beginner level) (AC Fibreglass, Auckland)
PLASTIC
Dagger Vampire
Cyclone (Quality Kayaks)
Acrobat (Perception Kayaks)
Visit the links (http://www.geocities.com/northerncp/) page on my site for manufacturers or check the posts on the NZ forum to see what is on offer.
thanks for that list
Dave
Maxi Bat
Climax
Viper
Dragon
Apollo
Combat -it still counts
which of those are kevlars
and which would be a good boat for me to get??
nice and strong, but reasonably light and fast (im only 70kgs)
The Combat is plastic, don't touch it unless you want a cheap club boat. They're good fun for social if everyone is paddling them, otherwise you outgrow them really fast (very short, fat). Made by Quality Kayaks."Old skool"
Climax and Maxi are quite old, can be composite (that's fibreglass, or kevlar). A few second hand ones around.
Dragon is a virtuosity boat, and is composite- see cpbutler.
I haven't heard of the Apollo so can't help there sorry.
Viper is a takeoff of the revenge. I don't know who makes it anymore.
I'm going to get Kirsten to explain her new QK design (and tell me it's name) for my next webpage.
Oh yeah, "The Demon". I know one of the people who owned this rare boat. It rolls easily. It is also just about as old as a very very dodgy old thing that you would need to pay very little for (hint hint). Unless someone made a new one, which might be nice.
By the way, Duncan Cochrane has an interview on my site about choosing a kayak- have you read it? http://www.geocities.com/northerncp/choosingakayak.html
Here is my advice (two glasses of wine at a club meeting and I'm talkative, funny that).
What you need to do is decide what you want to pay and what sort of boat you want. Fibreglass can break easily in high level games. Kevlar can be difficult to repair nicely but is more durable- and more expensive. Carbon kevlar is top of the range very light, costs much more, and is usually for advanced level competition. Plastic is low maintenance but less agile boats- they aren't as light and there aren't as many varieties to choose from. The designs have to be modified to accomodate the parameters of plastic production.
Then, try out the boats in your price range. Check first whether you can paddle properly, or if you tip over alot, because then you will want quite a stable boat. You will sacrifice speed for stability. A shorter boat can turn faster but is harder to paddle straight; a long boat goes faster in a straight line but can be harder to turn. High volume- big boats- are harder to turn for lighter paddlers. Check out the hull shape from the side and see if it is upturned at each end, like a banana. If a boat has lots of rocker, it's meant to turn more easily.
If you can roll, check out your paddle roll and hand roll with the boat. See whether you can pivot it forwards and backward, whether you can surface turn it. Try to play a game and see if you like it. See if the nose is always diving down when you paddle (are you too heavy, are you sitting too far forward). At the end of the game, see how many litres of water are sloshing around your hips. (This may be why the nose is diving or you feel unstable in the boat). Check the cockpit area and hull for cracks or repairs, and especially the seams.
Is this David I?
Being in a similar situation to you at the start of this year...
Anyway, ive put up some of my opinions about boats on my site if you wanna have read. Keep in mind that it is just my opinion and may be subject to corrections as it was just a quick job one night.
www.paulsbadassbikesite.150m.com
<www.paulsbadassbikesite.150m.com>
Just click on the link for boats down the left hand side
If you are who you think you are then have a talk to me about it one time, ill be there on Monday 11 or at freyberg every Thursday.
I think speed is overated. In all honesty for a newish player playing in a small pool like Kilbirnie something like a powerplay, or maybe even a stingray would be fine, it will give you a better chance to focus on building up your tactics.
If you pick one up second hand I will show you how to fix it up real good. Glass boats are fine for a first boat and the cool thing about them is you can just keep adding to them:)
So yeah I reckon you should look for a cheap 2nd hand one to play in for the next few seasons then look at maybe a flame 2004 or whatever the latest one is.
Cheers Paul M
I started with a glass stingray, but I vote for a kevlar powerplay ;)
I had one for years and years.
I agree Vish a kevlar power play would be mint for you , Dave, the trouble is there arn't any around in Wellington at the moment that I know of anyway...
If you ask for a specific boat in the NZ forum, then you can always arrange to try out the boat at a tournament. Sometimes you'll find the person selling is heading down that way, or they can send the boat with someone else.
Thanks for all your help ppl
yea it is david I
Where is the best place to put up an ad for a boat? NZRCA site?
im looking for a really cheap boat so yea 2ndhand would be really good
yea ill b there 2nite paul
how did this thread suddenly appear in the NZ pages??
Amber
11-11-2002, 12:23 AM
Since you're all busy discussing boats I think my powerplay is still for sale in New Zealand. She's a little on the heavy side but in good condition and cheap.
Email me at amberv@uga.edu or talk to Dave at Ferg's Kayaks (do you still have it Dave??)
Yea they still hav it in auckland, price is $300 it that worth it???
The problem is, im in wellington so how am i gona check it out??
Do they have it at Fergs Kayaks? Cause if they do, Fergs have an outlet in Wellington and you coulld ask them to bring it down for a demo.
As for the price- are you kidding? For $300, you should check it out.
Unregistered
13-11-2002, 10:18 PM
Heya, Its Scott from Auckland and Fergs.
Amber, we do still have your powerplay, i believe it was $400 or something, but correct me if i am wrong.
Give us a call dave and we can try arrange getting it to wellington for you to test out and look at.
There is some interest at the moment from some junior players up here so you will need to be quick
Cheers Scott.
Fergs Kayaks
(09) 529 2230
www.fergskayaks.co.nz
Spoke 2 some1 at fergs Auckland, man were they unhelpful, im quite interested in it so ill chase it up further
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Unregistered
15-11-2002, 09:53 AM
Scott again,
Yeah, sorry, i was out of the shop when you rang..the person you spoke to has no idea about canoepolo, so she didnt have a clue what you were on about.
Ill have a talk to dave and see if something can be arranged about getting the boat to wellington, as he or Ian do alot of back and forth travelling...
Ill keep u up to date
Cheers
Amber
15-11-2002, 04:02 PM
Hey be nice to Ferg's - they're helping me out here and not getting anything out of the deal (I think)!!
A little extra cash would be nice - I'm spending waaay too much here in the US of A! Sorry I can't be there to help you out myself Dave.
Scott - can you email me at amberv@uga.edu??
Cheers:wavey:
yea 2 be fair i just got off the phone with david who sorted me out in minutes, i really want a boat and this seems like its gona be mine!!!!
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Some one has just offered me a carbon Rogue for $400 including deck, see
http://www.canoepolo.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=810
Is that a better deal for me, a lightweight junior player??
David
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I know you haven't ever tried either of these boats. Probably never even seen a rogue before... Basically the rogue is in Wellington so give it a go, take it along to freyberg one night and ill check it out for you, if you find it good then take it.
Keeping in mind that the rogue is a boat designed for more advanced players and seeing as you are just starting a powerplay would probably be a better boat for YOU. But if you have a go in the rogue and like it then hey it comes with a deck so it will save you a hundred bucks (yours wont fit either).
Paul
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becks.c
21-11-2002, 02:24 AM
A powerplay is a really great boat, it will take you further than you think, if you learn good paddling technique. - I was still paddling my powerplay right up to easter 2000 before I went to the world champs that year.
- I highly recomend getting some coaching either from someone with a slalom background, or one of the senior players in your club (watch a few games and see how people move and you'll have a better idea of who to approach)
Think about where you'll play most of your games and your style of play.
I haven't had much experience with Rogues so am not really educated on the pros and cons of the boat. I do know they are very fast in a straight line, but are not easy to turn for non-expert paddlers and also some lighter paddlers (i think they are better to surface turn it?)
I think you've had good advice in being recomended to try before you buy. If possible try it out during a training session and also during a game.
Some yardsticks for comparing the boats
what physical condition is it in?
e.g.
note any significant cracks, particularly those that go through to the inside - check seams
is the seat fixed firmly - often this is overlooked, but is very important for being able to paddle your boat properly
Bumpers - check they are basically complete, a replacement set will set you back about $40
There are quite a few other things to look at, but see if you can get a senior player to look the boat over for you.
How does the boat handle
What is the acceleration and top speed like ( try sprinting the lenght of the pool)
How does it turn? - full speed pivot (both sides) and surface turn, plus slower speed turns. Also 360 surface turn, will give you some ideas about the boat and its balance
stability - how far out can you comfortably lean with a ball?
Rolling - does the boat pop up easily (some boats have interesting characteristics: eg mischeif (same designer as the Rogue) feels like you are up, but sometimes not quite!)
You can compare key issues such as the above. Try out some one-on-one in your training session trial. Note how easy it is or isn't to get your nose under your oponent. How does it feel when others go over you.
Overall:
Try and rate the boats in comparible categories, eg speed, turning, rolling, acceleration, stability...
Everyone will have different opinions, but ultimately it is your choice.
An advanced boat may seem the better option, but your play could quite possibly be held back by the boat being too responsive.
On the other hand, depending on how long you've been playing, the opprotunities you've had and the level you have reached, you may be ready to move up to an advanced boat.
Its really up to you. Perhaps there is an experienec coach - someone who is familiar with your ability and knowledge who you could discuss your choice of kayak with?
good luck!:thumbup:
just spoke to dave in auckland, says that Amber wants $400 for the powerplay now, and suggested that i just go with the rogue, so im asking mark about it, and how easilily he can get it to welly
He said that its a good progression to a vamp and easier for a player to develop in.
Dave
Amber
21-11-2002, 03:15 AM
Amber wants whatever she can get - I'm out of the country for the next few years...
Make me an offer!! :thumbup:
he also said that there was other interest from some1 in auckland, but i had my name down first so until i cancel ive got it down
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Confused? Dont worry yur still getting money :silly:
Unregistered
21-11-2002, 10:18 AM
I've paddled both the Rogue and the Powerplay. I weigh about 65 to 70 kg, and I'm a girl, but here's what I think.
The Rogue is beautifully made by paddling perfection. It also has square seams that can take a hell of a beating ( and take a hell of a lot of repairing). I felt like I was sitting way up high in the water and I felt quite unstable. It's a very fast boat, but not so agile because of it's length so can be harder to pivot turn. I also didn't like it as much for pushing around other boats.
The power play is easy to turn, but not as fast as the Rogue. It is flatter up top so your knees sit out more (less room). It's shorter and easier to maneuver so I liked it a bit more than the Rogue for pushing against other boats.. Mine is still going, they have it in masterton, with the Marauders. It was a lightweight one and I still got a fair bit of speed out of it.
I'd just like to say right now though, that in my books, you can't beat a Vampire. I've had the opportunity to paddle a Vampire S 2001, and I wish I'd had the money to buy one for Worlds. I totally love that boat, in fact, I adore that boat. If we're going to spend this much time asking about kayaks and discussing their merits, then I might as well put across the point of view that the Vampire is lovely. And you can forget about buying a cheap boat if you've paddled the 'S' and like it, because they are well made, imported, and cost a bit. *sigh* Maybe I'll rob a bank these holidays and put myself out of my misery...
vish
http://www.geocities.com/northerncp/
Yea im a cheapskate, a vamp is waay to expensive for me, im gona try out the rogue though, paul ive asked if it can be at freyberg next thurs, can u b there 2 help me check it out??
got the boat, its nice, foot pegs fit well, knees abit tight,
ill be there early 2morro with the boat, i also have a deck for it
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I have paddled a fibreglass stingray, a kevlar powerplay, and numerous kevlar flames (2000-2002 models) but I recently splurged and bought a carbon kevlar Vampire S 2001 and I wonder why I didn't do it sooner! It weighs 7.5 kilos and has superb workmanship and all it took was a 45 min paddle to get used to it and now it feels like I have had it for ages! I would highly recommend it to anyone who is serious about their polo.
To bring it in to NZ I needed to pay the cost of the boat, the freight, GST on the cost and freight and aimport documentation fee of $22.50. There are sometimes MAF charges for inspection as well but mine were waived on the day. I ordered it on the 4th of October and recieved it on the 14th November, well worth the wait.
James
27-11-2002, 07:44 PM
What was th total costs involved? ............Though I guess this means that you will be competing seriously for the next wee while....great to hear!
Total cost was:
Boat $1350.00 AUD
Freight $333.75 AUD
New Zealand Dollars
Boat + Freight $1935.00
GST on boat and freight $242
Import documantation fee $22.50
Total cost was $2199.50
The most I have ever spent on a boat but it looks and feels fantastic!!!
You are right in saying that it means that I will be seriously competing for a few more years now! I have definitely decided to compete at the top level till 2005 and after that finances will dictate how much further I go....
yea fergs are now importin vamps into NZ so you can get it in NZD and without freight charges
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Well technically you still have to pay freight as that is built into Fergs cost. I was quoted $2100 from Fergs for my boat and it cost me $2199 to bring it in myself to Wellington.
you learn something everyday, for me more that once a day
Hey do ne of you ppl hav a spare bumpers lyin around?
cause the front 1 on this rogue is screwed, and needs replacin.
give us a yell if you do
Cheers Dave
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