atahua cup

[expose']

For 2006 Atahua Cup will be moved back to the farm. Expose' will be running the tournament over the weekend of the 4th, 5th and 6th of Feb. Plans are for a two day competitive competition over the 4th and 5th, with an optional social tournament for those left standing on the 6th (waitangi day). Please register your interest via this post or through any Expose' player. More details to follow.
Thanks Expose'

[James]

As I understand it Atahua Cup is run by the Vikings of Kiwi Canoe Polo Club. It has been done this way for the three previous years. Expose' players choose to leave the club and the Vikings.

Atahua cup will be held as per last year on the lagoon in Palmerston North. The lagoon enables us to maximise the public exposure for the sport within Palmerston North.

Thank you

James Mitchell
Vikings Squad.

[Paul]

"Atahua" cup? "Vikings" cup? Im with James on this but would love to see a bit of niggle!

[Alana]

I agree that having the Atahua comp on the Lagoon is great for public exposure for our sport. Last year heaps of people stopped to have a look as they were jogging past, talking the dog for a walk etc......and the lagoon is a far more accessible place for us locals to invite our friends and family down to.

And 'Expose'....really,...what were you thinking??? Did you not even think to ask James before announcing to the masses that you guys were running the comp?

[Cameron]

Ah the spirit of cooperation just brings tears to my eyes, can you feel the love??!!

hey guys, at the start of this year the Atahua cup was run in the Lagoon by Kiwi Canoe Polo Club and Expose willingly participated in that. This would meant to me that Expose had given up the right to the Atahua Cup name so this attempt to get in first looks somewhat cheeky.

The farm is a better venue in terms of socialising and perhaps water quality (Lagoon is better for publicity), but the use of the name and who organises it is up for negotiation with Kiwi seeing as Kiwi have used "Atahua Cup" every time in the past.

My ten cents

Cam
www.polomania.co.nz
021 703095

[Lil' Juno]

I agree with Cameron... with the Expose' boys willingly entering the Atahua Cup this year run by James (and Kiwi) it seemed to prove that the comp is Kiwi owned and operated.

Also agree with Alana, the lagoon was a prime spot to get passers by interested in our sport and it definately made it easier for friends and family to pop down and show their support. Anything to boost the popularity of polo! :thumbup:

We could change the name perhaps if it's going to be such a big deal? :rolleyes:
But as far as I'm concerned "Atahua Cup" rightfully belongs to Kiwi.

[beast.]

easy way to solve this, expose find a new name, as it is not the name that makes a great tournament but the organisation, venue, players etc. Lets not all get negative on this lets support yet another fun and exciting tournament to our polo calender, see you at atahua cup and at ? to be named.

[hold on there]

perhaps the atahua cup could be run along the same lines as the americas cup and that the team that the holders of the cup host and organises the tournament, just an idea to throw into the other side of the arguement.

[Jase]

"with the Expose' boys willingly entering the Atahua Cup this year run by James (and Kiwi) it seemed to prove that the comp is Kiwi owned and operated."

How does this actuly prove anything, mabye they thought it was not worth fighting about and just wanted to play polo (like us all).

The point is that when Atahua first began there was no expose'! and you all worked together to run it, and named it after the location. now it has become much more complex, and to say that because expose' played in the event this year proves that vikings owns it is wrong.

As a player i don't care who owns and operates it, i will still pay my fee to play, can you work somthing out so this is not always a stand off, for the benefit of canoe polo the game we all love.

There is no doubting that regardless of the situation and with due respect to all involved the split has been a very good thing for polo i am sure both teams know this now!!

[James]

Use your real names and stand by your ideas.

Right as for the idea expressed above, please engage brain. Currently the titles are held by different clubs for the Open and Women's Grade...........certainly I would think that it would devalue the tournament being held in two different cities??? Are you going to ask Phil parry and the guys up in Hawkes bay if you can do the same? What about the South Island Champs? Right don't think so.

An idea is the Kiwi-Burnside Challange Trophy.......this is certainly up for grabs, winner gets to host any challenges. Contact Dean Mischewski from Justice as current holders.

With regards to the "Atahua" name, this is in tribute to the Dalziell family on who's farm (Atahua Stud) the first two tournaments were held. As well as countless trainings. I will ensure that they have no problem with the continual use of the name.

Thank you

James Mitchell
Vikings

[James]

[How does this actuly prove anything, mabye they thought it was not worth fighting about and just wanted to play polo (like us all).

The point is that when Atahua first began there was no expose'! and you all worked together to run it, and named it after the location. now it has become much more complex, and to say that because expose' played in the event this year proves that vikings owns it is wrong.

As a player i don't care who owns and operates it, i will still pay my fee to play, can you work somthing out so this is not always a stand off, for the benefit of canoe polo the game we all love.

There is no doubting that regardless of the situation and with due respect to all involved the split has been a very good thing for polo i am sure both teams know this now!![/QUOTE]

Owning?? YOur Correct in a way, but by that logic you could run Art Deco this year. Does that make things right?

As for the team split.......there are arguements both for and against. Afterall both teams achieved the same results as the previous year under one banner. Certainly better for some players individually i am sure.

[Jase]

"Owning?? YOur Correct in a way, but by that logic you could run Art Deco this year. "

I would not contemplate running Art Deco, or anybody elses event

Why

Pure Unadulterate Respect!!!!

(that and wellington is a long way form the bay)

[Jimmy]

As coach of the reigning women's champions I can say that Nemesis will not be seeking to run all or part of Atahua cup.

As I see it, Expose want to run Atahua to raise a bit of money and to have a decent booze up which everyone will attend. This would be better for internal polo relations as we will all be stuck in one place and any disputes could be solved by one party or the other or even both ending up in the water.
Last year that was missing from Atahua and it sucked having to choose which group to get on the piss with. So come on boys, take after Paddy and little Jase and share the love. By the way boys, there are some little sapplings running around North Beach wondering who their daddy is, they said their mother was innocent piece of drift wood.

So sought it out, or Tom and I will have to come up there and spank you. Mind you that will happen either way, this just determines whether it's only on the water or elsewhere as well.

[Aidan]

I must say that I was really pissed off to read the Expose post yesterday. Over the last 3 months members from both teams played and training together towards the common goal of Inter-Regionals and Oceania. After all that went down at the start of the year, we were again working together and having some laughs. For reasons I don’t claim understand some of you guys decided it would be good to stir it all up again – what were you thinking, not even talking to us before submitting such a stupid post to the forum!

As for your use of aliases, if you have an opinion, then stand behind it.

The ownership of the ‘Atahua Cup’ and the ‘Atahua Stake’ has nothing to do with whether or not Expose entered last year. Since the competition’s inception 3 years ago, it has been run every year by Kiwi Canoe Polo Club Inc. Under common law or equitable rights (non-registered rights) ‘Prior Usage’ gives ownership of the ‘Atahua Cup’ and the ‘Atahua Stake’ to Kiwi. Could someone, just because they wanted to, run another event in Auckland and call it the ‘Auckland Marathon’? This is no different to someone setting up a shop called Jim’s Electrical and later someone down the road setting up an electrical shop and calling it by the same name – it’s illegal. What is ok, is for someone to set up a shop in a different city (i.e. with a different customer base), or someone opening a shop next door called ‘Jim’s Pies’ (again with a different customer base).

Let’s face it, the real issue is that nobody in your team got off their bums last season and applied for any funding, and it was expensive. Why then do you think it’s ok to try and steal the Atahua Cup from us?

Wouldn’t it be better to organise another tournament at a different time and under a different name?

And really, polo players could organise a piss up in a courtroom, do people really feel this is an issue?

Cheers,
Paddy

[Carl D]

I have talked with the other guys and we are more than happy for you to run your tournament as you did last year. in which we will be trying our best to win the "atahua cup" again. we accept the "atahua cup" is the trophey that belongs to your tournament as the prize for which we will all be competing.

Our idea was to run our own tournament in a similar fashion to that of which atahua was origanally run, with a minor change being the 3 day schedule (hence the 4th, 5th and 6th of Feb) This gives everyone a two day competitive competion with the option to stay around for a few quietish drinks on Sunday night and a very social (probably mixed teams) day for the ones left moving on monday. Obviously with the dates of the two tournaments clashing we will have to talk this through.

As i said our expose' team will give your tournament our full support and we would be greatful if the vikings would do like wise for ours. If we can't manage to sort this out, who knows how the NZ mens team can train or play with the amount of us involved in the selection for worlds.

With that said lets look forward to a new polo year with the addition of another tournament and social event for your calender (date to be confirmed). After all the more we play polo the better we shall get.

Cheers Carl, Expose'

[Justin]

Jimmy if your so worried about a piss up, i'm sure something can be arranged before hand.

As to the competition, i'm with Alana on this one, canoe polo is a minority sport in New Zealand, the more publicity it gets the better, and it got way more publicity last year at the lagoon, then it ever would have at the Dalziell's farm, and the more we run it there, the better for canoe polo in Palmerston North it will be!

Frankly i don't care, it's just a name, as long as the tournament operates as usual, i'm not worried.

:(i love to play the sport, that's why i play it, i don't play it for the political bull crap involved, and it makes me sick all the backstabbing and crap that goes on, it honestly needs to stop!:(

:twocents:

[Jimmy]

Good stuff Carl, very mature of you and the boys, spose that means you should get taken off the off the water spanking list.

As for you Justin, I will be very concerned about a piss up as that will be around the time that I will have to give up the blessed liquid once more for the greater good of New Zealand Canoe Polo. But luckily for me, that is still a fair way off.

After all, aren't Atahua, Art Deco and South Islands meant to be social "warm up" tournaments?

Kiwi-Burnside Challenge Trophy on the other hand has been down here in Christchurch for a very long time, in fact I don't think it has ever left. How about Expose and/or Vikings direct some of their over abundance of agro at that instead, I know I'd be pissed off if I'd always came second in a two horse race.

[James]

Well said Carl. I will ensure that the Vikings support your event as long as there aren't any clashes.

Thank you for clearing up this matter, certainly caught some raw nerves with the guys.

As many people have pointed out we have to work together for the good of the sport (and our own ambitions). Please keep the talking going so that these incidents are kept to a minimum and we all get on together.

See you all on the lag for some game time!!

Happy paddling

James
Vikings:viking: /s

[Aidan]

Cheers Carl, it’ll be good to have another tournament on the calendar. I’m sure we can discuss dates so they don’t clash.

Catch ya on the water,
Paddy

[Jase]

I guess a few people got there daily exercise

JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS

nice to see a fairytail ending:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup ::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

hopefully the Knights will support both events, and take all the silverware!!

[anonn.]

....enough said.

[Paul]

....enough said.

Grow up?!:eek: Grow some balls and post with a real name!

[Aaron Fear-Ross]

By golly, wasn't that a right ripper of an argument :thumbdown


Just a suggestion but my advise for next time would be to 'pick up the phone' or hell, really break the mold and meet up with each other and 'talk' about it. It's gotta resolve the issue a lot faster and it wont publicise your dirty laundry to the rest of NZ and the World.

twas ammusing to read though, now play nice

A

[Squirt]

Politics and Sport - can't go anywhere without it.

God dam I love it!!! - pity I was too late though :( I wanted to jump on the band wagon and stir it up a little more but there you go, too slow as usual. Maybe a lttle tentative about putting my foot in the wrong direction too ;).
Nice to see the logical decision (that was steering everyone in the face) has been sorted though.

Now just a small naming issue so we all know whats going on...
Kiwi Canoe Club - Atahua Cup
Expose' - Atahua...Trophy? Mug? Vase? Urn? Shield? Plate? Dish? Spoon? Frisbee?
or something completely different..."Summer Slam On The Dam"???

[mike1982]

now there's a better thread "naming of Exposae's tournament"

maybe the winner gets free entry to the tourney

how about "the log o wood" make it big enough and ugly enough and no one will loose it

[Cainus]

they could carve it into a real life image of you mike then :P

[Paul]

Ranfurly shield of polo maybe? I.e the team who wins it must put the shield up for grabs every home game it has