Middle line

[Gin]

What guys do you think about middle line rule like in basketball?
Will be it effective?
In short. If the team which in posession acrossing a middle line from opponent half to own halt - it`s a violation.
Goal: reduce "freezing game" effect.
Our team not so quick and we freeze game very effective and very often. It`s good to see for specialists but very bored to spectators.

[sp_edey]

Personally I like it the way it is. It'd be interesting to see how well it would work if that rule was applied though. When you 'freeze' the game though, most teams are using that to bait your opponents out to attack the ball. Thing is too, you could just not cross the centre line and then you could freeze the game anyway. Bait them out from there and then you can cross after you skinned them all and THEN your not allowed to go back over, but if your confident your going to score a goal, why does it matter?? The disciplined teams will always pot their goal too.

Clinton

[mrkeeg]

ya I sort of agree clinton... and I think there's not as much room in 1/2 a polo pitch... it may be too easy to accidentally cross the line while resetting an offence. It may not be a big deal, but I think it is fine as is. It gives more room to play 5 out too.

On the other hand... I've considered before that a shot clock would make things interesting...

Keegan

[Mal]

I've heard the shot clock and the middle line ideas debated before. I agree that the middle line would be REALLY difficult in polo. In most pools it's nigh on impossible to say where the middle line is anyway, let alone to see if it's been crossed inappropriately.

With regard to the shot clock, I still don't understand what it is - not a big basketball fan - but as a ref I'd rather not make things more complex. My little brain can hardly cope with remembering hand signals!

Mal

[Gin]

Signal 1 is Ok for this.
The idea about wrong whistles about middle line is true. Some missanderstanding at start could be too. But, I dont think, that this line will be more controvertional, that "illegal use of paddle" or illegal jostle.
In can write controvertional examples in my practice as a player, about almost every "illegal" point of rules.
I think, that you see a lot of controvertional in own game. Thats why referee institute exists.
I just searching for a way to keep all spectators eyes who come to a game in playing area during whole match. I think that it`s only way to make canoepolo more popular :eek:
I m sure, that shot time will be set as rule with time.

[Mr Raveoli]

I don't understand this. Are you saying that when you have the ball you can't go into your own half? Also you have to shoot after a set amount of time? if this is what is suggested i think its rubbish and would basically eliminate 5 and out etc. It is a skill to keep the ball and a skill to win it. Forcing people to shoot and not allowing people to go into the own half pretty much eliminates these skills. Besides its just daft. We don't play basketball we play canoe polo.

Unless I have misunderstood in which case I apologise in advance

[Gin]

We don't play basketball we play canoe polo.
Yea, we do. But
1. I do want to see as many spectators in canu as you can see at other team games. I think, that this rules can promote it. (It`s my own point of view. It may be contovertional. :) )
2. In basketball (sorry) exist preess (5 out) and it`s very effective. This rule will not "kill" 5 out (for example 1,5 pre shot). But it kill eternal 'freezing'.
3. We have to estimate other games rules and take some of them in canu to do it more attractive. Don`t we? :confused:

[Mr Raveoli]

Personally I think the game is fine as it is and I find basketball a boring and predictable sport. I think canoe polo is less predictable and therefore I would refrain from using methods from a boring sport to try and improve a hugely underrated sport. I doubt very much spectators would find it more entertaining and I as a player certainly wouldn't.

But to each their own!!!

[Patrick]

I can't quite remember but I believe that water polo DOES NOT operate using either of these two rules (taking the ball backcourt or with a shot clock). Please, correct me if I'm wrong. But water polo, which I think kayak polo is most like, seems quite popular in Europe, North America and Australia. And, most of the action is under the water. :eek:

I don't think kayak polo currently needs these rule changes/additions right now.

[Gin]

Ok, thank you for your anwers. :wavey:

[SeanT]

another idea to stop boring play could be what they seem to do in Handball - not that I know those rules at all - only saw it in the olympics. It seemed that when the ref got a bit bored with non-attacking play they stuck their hand up and this effectively started a shotclock. It all seems a bit subjective and inconsistent and I'm not advocating it at all, just think its an interesting related idea! :-)

[Mal]

In completely unrelated rugby, the ref sometimes decides that the attacking team aren't really going anywhere (in a maul situation) and tells them to use the ball or lose it.

Now there's an idea from rugby. Only backward passes allowed...:D

[Gin]

In completely unrelated rugby, the ref sometimes decides that the attacking team aren't really going anywhere (in a maul situation) and tells them to use the ball or lose it.

Now there's an idea from rugby. Only backward passes allowed...:D
Buy the way, do you know, that some years ago in CANOEPOLO was a rule which forbid first forward pass from "out"? :D
I think, that was a lot of guys, that think, that the rule was "just fine".
So, if you think, that idea to do some researches in other game rules bad, I think, that you wrong. Passive way thinking always more simple. Sorry, nothing personal. :wavey: