Canoe Polo or Kayak Polo

[the deacon]

As there is a debate going why the sport is named 'Canoe Polo' instead of Kayak Polo, this poll is open to those whom are interested in giving their opinion on the subject.

[Mark H]

I think the pole shows that this subject has been discused enough:rolleyes:

[mrkeeg]

I do care because every time someone asks what I do, it takes a long confusing explanation.

I think it should be called kayak polo.

This has been discussed elsewhere, but the proper, specific and descriptive terminology for the boat we use is, in fact "kayak".
If you read the rules (http://www.canoepolo.com/forum/rules.php?) they refer repeatedly to kayaks, and never (ever?) to canoes. The very first sentence in the rules ("Aim", 1.) is " 1. The aim of Canoe Polo is a competitive ball game between two teams, each of five players. Players paddle polo kayaks..."

Events that I organize are entitled kayak polo events. I don't believe it will hapen, but I think the ICF should change the official name.

Keegan
ranting colonial.

related threads:
http://www.canoepolo.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1526
http://www.canoepolo.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1901
http://www.canoepolo.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1918

[Patrick]

I do care because every time someone asks what I do, it takes a long confusing explanation.

I think it should be called kayak polo.


While I also would like the ICF to officially name the sport Kayak Polo :) , I don't worry :confused: about it.

I do worry about what they call a continent though. :rolleyes:

[JW Lester]

While I also would like the ICF to officially name the sport Kayak Polo :) , I don't worry :confused: about it.

I do worry about what they call a continent though. :rolleyes:

And they say Americans have really bad geography skills.

Oh wait a minute.... we are crap:

http://www.dubyaspeak.com/geographer.shtml

Well, unlike the ICF, although Bush has somewhat of a shaky concept of what a continent is "Vice President mentioned Nigeria is a fledgling democracy. We have to work with Nigeria. That's an important continent.
-- Presidential debate, Winston-Salem, North Carolina, Oct. 11, 2000"

at least Dubya knows the difference between North and South America (North America is the Continent he is dictator of and South America is where his drugs came from when he was younger).

[Gomes]

Just to say that in Portugal the name of the sport is "Kayak Polo". :D

I don't know why we didn't follow the International denomination of Canoe Polo.
:confused: weird hummm!!!!

Train hard, play easy!

Nelson :thumbup:

[dustin]

i am for canoepolo but at a tournement a wise man called the sport waka soccer and i rate this name highly

[Alvin]

In Poland this is Kayak-Polo or canoe-polo but pepole often use Kayak-Polo. So why in the world this is Canoe-polo?? It proposes change name of our sports end use Kayak-Polo instead Canoe-Polo!!

[spain]

In Spain it's also named kayak polo

[Rolf [GKV]]

In Poland this is Kayak-Polo or canoe-polo but pepole often use Kayak-Polo. So why in the world this is Canoe-polo?? It proposes change name of our sports end use Kayak-Polo instead Canoe-Polo!!

Why would you change the name and deal with all the problems that come with it. Just as a small example: this website adres, all the tournaments that have to change there name all the people who have to start over again telling everyone what sport they are doing..etc etc.

Ow well.. i think we should stay with canoepolo and most people who voted on this poll think the same i guisse.

[andzia]

Hmmmm...as I know in the polish rules is "kajak polo" not a canoa or kayak.

[Unreg]

In Catalonia is Caiac-Polo...

[nvt]

In Belgium we say also "KAJAK-POLO"

Cheers !!!

[Kelly.D.]

In ireland its called canoe-polo and everyone i say it to understands almost straight away!!!!!!:D :eek:

[SanneJ]

In Denmark its "kajakpolo", but actually it makes no difference if we say canoe-polo or kayak-polo, we have to explain what its all about anyway...:rolleyes: :p

[Rolf [GKV]]

In Denmark its "kajakpolo", but actually it makes no difference if we say canoe-polo or kayak-polo, we have to explain what its all about anyway...:rolleyes: :phehe you'll keep that problem anyway :wavey:

[JPG]

Sounds to me that europeans (non english speakers)are calling it kayak polo whereas people from the commonwealth choosed as usual an other path:D
There's might be a picky problem though for canadians. People from Quebec will call it kayak-polo the others canoe-polo:p.
cheers

[Danny]

I find that I have to explain to people what the sport actually is and not the name, so why bother worrying about a name?

[ErikV]

I stopped explaining to everybody. Only if someone keeps asking or when he is really interesting:D .

[Voulnara06]

I stopped explaining to everybody. Only if someone keeps asking or when he is really interesting:D .

yeah same here. If they dont seem interested then i dont explain at all i just tell them "kayak polo"

[johnboy]

I do care because every time someone asks what I do, it takes a long confusing explanation.

I think it should be called kayak polo.


Even if it was correctly refered to as "kayak polo", it would still take hours to explain what the game is as it's extremely complicated !

[Cainus]

i think some of you are just being lazy

i enjoy explaining to the unexpecting fellow person the happenings of canoe/kayakpolo just to see their bewildered expression as they try to comprehend it.

it's always a challenge to explain the sport in the fewest words possible.

[RB-Ex-MrPolo]

If we are going for a name change, let's go for something more dynamic and entertaining, more appealing to the media and spectators. We're much better than boring old water polo.

Maybe "Kayak Wars", "Kayak Ball", "Kayak Clashes" ?

Any other better ideas?

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By the way, I think you worded your poll question really badly. Why not try again just asking -"Do you think this sport should be known internationally as Canoe Polo or Kayak Polo ?"

[Marty]

:usa: :canada:

In North America some people canoe and some people kayak. Some people even canoe and kayak! However, the game we play is never played in canoes. So here I call it kayak polo, so kayakers new to the sport understand. Other than that, it doesn't matter to me.

As Patrick points out, there are bigger fish to fry...

I think it's essential that all prospective worlds teams can get to their continental champs in a reasonable time (say an afternoon or evening of travel), with their boats (for a reasonable price, say $100), get their boats back afterwards (without ANY hassel), and without blowing their polo budget for 2 years (thereby making it the ONLY competition they can afford to get to for 2 years)!!!

:bang:

Marty

[Albert]

If we are going for a name change, let's go for something more dynamic and entertaining, more appealing to the media and spectators. We're much better than boring old water polo.

Maybe "Kayak Wars", "Kayak Ball", "Kayak Clashes" ?

Any other better ideas?


Howsabout "MURDERBALL"?

Whoops, it is taken by a sport that probably most resemble canoepolo in tactics.

http://www.murderballmovie.com/
:gun:
:eek:

Sigh....
We are falling further behind to get the required 75 participating countries to get into the Olympics.:Olympics:

We are far behind sports like Skeleton, Synchonized swimming, Rhythmic gymnastics, short track skating, etc.

Looks like we have fallen behind even the new upcoming "MurderBall".

Making it difficult for new countries to see the best and compete doesn't help the situation.
:bang:

albert

[RB-Ex-MrPolo]

We are falling further behind to get the required 75 participating countries to get into the Olympics.:Olympics:


Now why would we be falling behind these oether sports (And remember, we were bigger than Triathalon 20 years ago). Is it becuase our sport is intrinsically not that good, of is it becuase we have so few pople inthe sport who care about, or are good at, marketing it to get us to a higher level of participation ?

[RB-Ex-MrPolo]

I think it's essential that all prospective worlds teams can get to their continental champs in a reasonable time (say an afternoon or evening of travel), with their boats (for a reasonable price, say $100),
Marty
We'd never even have Australian Championships if those were the criteria we had to stick by ! Don't know the current situation, but often we've had 10 day championships (Interstate for a few days, Interclub for a few days), with fly-in, fly-out becoming increasingly common, at a lot more than US$100.

I think something between your unrealistically low idea, and having to go to Brasil for one or two games just to satisfy ICF's unrealsitic expectations.


:bang:
Marty
I love your smiley - so expressive of trying to get through to some people !

[Patrick]

Now why would we be falling behind these oether sports (And remember, we were bigger than Triathalon 20 years ago). Is it becuase our sport is intrinsically not that good, of is it becuase we have so few pople inthe sport who care about, or are good at, marketing it to get us to a higher level of participation ?

Triathlon is an intrinsically cheaper sport. Yes, you spend money for a nice bike, helmet, running shoes and goggles, but it's an individual sport and you can train in mostly free areas except maybe to do some lap swimming.

Team sports that require expensive and bulky equipment and specialized fields/pitches are a hard sell. Hockey is a great sport and in many ways has similar qualities to polo. But, it's not nearly as popular in the world as soccer nor as popular in the states as American football, basketball nor baseball and, as many folks know, the NHL nearly died this past season.

Point? Kayak polo will not likely be a dominatingly popular sport but it certainly can be more widely played and certainly enjoyed, especially from a spectator's point of view. :twocents:

[RB-Ex-MrPolo]

Triathlon is an intrinsically cheaper sport. Yes, you spend money for a nice bike, helmet, running shoes and goggles, but it's an individual sport and you can train in mostly free areas except maybe to do some lap swimming.



Depends how canoe polo is organised.

For a team sport, in some areas almost no thought is given to growing the sport by community effort (club or organisation) rahter than depending on individual $$.

In some parts of the world - Netherlands ?, parts of NZ, the club owns all the gear (or the swimming pool in one case) and people pay a few dollars for a game. That is one hell of a lot chepaer than Triathalon. And a lot of training and even competition takes place on lakes and rivers.

And having friends who have done both, I know which they consider the bargain sport.

At the higher level, the costs really have little to do with the sport as such. Equipment costs and game fees are almost insignificant compared with travel and accommodation costs, lost income etc, which are probably the same for both sports.

What made Triathalon such a success was the tremendous marketing people who got into it and really made things happen. It wasn't run by traditional committees.

And canoe polo is far easier for TV coverage, and intrinsically more exciting.

[Marty]

We'd never even have Australian Championships if those were the criteria we had to stick by ! Don't know the current situation, but often we've had 10 day championships (Interstate for a few days, Interclub for a few days), with fly-in, fly-out becoming increasingly common, at a lot more than US$100.

I think something between your unrealistically low idea, and having to go to Brasil for one or two games just to satisfy ICF's unrealsitic expectations.


I meant 1/2 day travel each way (with days at the comp) and $100 to get the boat there (plus the $500 for moi). I've driven to a few comps here - rather like getting to Perth from the east! Why did I ever think the North and South Islands created problem travel in NZ ???

Marty

[Albert]

Now why would we be falling behind these oether sports (And remember, we were bigger than Triathalon 20 years ago). Is it becuase our sport is intrinsically not that good, of is it becuase we have so few pople inthe sport who care about, or are good at, marketing it to get us to a higher level of participation ?

I mention it for no other reason than the observation that those sports were popular enough worldwide to achieve Olympic status. This of course excepting the premier sport of "Murder Ball" that now has it's own movie and a bunch of player movie stars!

CanoePolo has a long way to go as it tries to bring in the required number of countries from Central & South America and Africa. Wait til they hear that they have to fly 10,000km to play in continentals.

albert

[Albert]

I mention it for no other reason than the observation that those sports were popular enough worldwide to achieve Olympic status. This of course excepting the premier sport of "Murder Ball" that now has it's own movie and a bunch of player movie stars!

CanoePolo has a long way to go as it tries to bring in the required number of countries from Central & South America and Africa. Wait til they hear that they have to fly 10,000km to play in continentals.

albert

The MurderBall link was omitted

http://www.murderballmovie.com/

[MAURO]

here in Brazil, it´s called:

CAIAQUE PÓLO

:D

[squashed gopher]

a lot of the discussion on the forum is misdirected in my mind. :confused:

the wording: Kajak as in poland and germany, Caiaque in brasil; these are just the words in their respective languages for "kayak" as it is spelt in english.

the real question is whether it should be called canoe polo or kayak polo.

canoeing being a sport where in north american is boat propelled by a single blade paddle, while kayaks have a doble blade.

how i understand it is that in western europe, all forms of "kayaks" and "canoes" are referred to as canoes while they are differentiated by K-1, C-1, K-2, C-2, OC-1, etc. In canada canoeing is definitely a different sport than kayaking, some may even say it requires more skill and finese, and is much harder.....

ok maybe that statement comes from me and my friends who are whitewater canoers.

But for me in Canada i refer to canoe polo as such within the sports community, but when describing it to general public i call it kayak polo, this eliminates one thing that i have to explain to them: i.e. why its called canoe polo but played in a kayak. hahaha

Thanks,:twocents:

Jimmy MacDonald, Canada Canoe Polo Committee

[mrkeeg]

I think I tend to agree with Jimmy in the respect that:

-it is fine for the international sport to be called "canoe polo".
-locally, it should be named as makes sense for that country ... ie: Ciaque in Brasil, Kayak in US and Canada, canoe in those places where that makes sense to the locals.

This may conflict with opinions I previously stated... maybe even on this thread...:wavey: ah well, I'm coming around

Keegan

[Ken Chew]

As if kayak vs canoe is not enough, Hong Kong calls it 獨木舟水球, Taiwan (Chinese Taipei) calls it 輕艇水球. An China, which does not have the game yet, would likely calls it 皮艇水球．

Canoe Polo in your language (http://www.canoepolo.org/wiki/index.php/Canoe_Polo)

[Rolf [GKV]]

Taiwan (Chinese Taipei) calls it 輕艇水球. An China, which does not have the game yet, would likely calls it 皮艇水球．

atleast taiwan and china match for 75 % ;)

[Roberto]

Here is an article from the 2005 World Masters Games in Edmonton, Canada. Note the obvious confusion that this sports reporter has when he notes that we are in kayaks not canoes. Clearly this is the perception that most of the North America public have when we say we play canoe polo.

One person even asked me how we get the horses into the pool:eek:.