National Commitee

[GrainneOK]

Hi,
I was unable to get to the AGM this year and just wondered who is on the new commitee? Any chance the minutes could be posted here too please?

Cheers!
Grainne O'Keeffe

[atbarber]

Grainne

The new committee is:
Chairperson: Adrian Barber
Secretary: Michael Griffen
Other posts:
Caoimhe Ni Chuinn
Cathal Gorman
Shane Kinsella
Vincent Pierce
Conor Walsh

Adrian Barber

The minutes should not be posted here as this is an open forum. We will try and get a separate closed forum open for Irish people only.

Adrian

[niall]

Just as a matter of interest, why do we need the secret handshake for information that should be freely available to all. If I am a non national will that mean I have no right to access to the AGM minutes? Should we maybe limit the national league as well? How about we forget transparency and hide everything??

I have a better idea, if you want my opinion on security matters, don't give anyone any information at all. Keep if from the committee too. Only way to make sure of secure infomation, is to tell no one.

niall

[GrainneOK]

Congrats to the new committe!!

Adrian, maybe an email distributuin list on yahoo would be an alternative way to distribbute information such as the minutes of AGM.

[Tony.G.]

I would like to know who took the minutes as no person was appointed by the acting chairperson before the meeting took place ? The secretary did not take up his position as secretary after he was elected.


Congrats to the new committe!!

Adrian, maybe an email distributuin list on yahoo would be an alternative way to distribbute information such as the minutes of AGM.

[atbarber]

Tony
The acting secretary (Coaimhe) took the minutes. At an AGM it is usually the outgoing Secreatary taht takes the minutes.

Adrian
Chairperson

Niall

The request for a closed forum was made at the AGM by several different people. There wil still be an open forum for comments. Other people outside the country can request access.

Adrian

[niall]

I think that a closed forum would be a big mistake. We have too many hidden holes already. The AGM was open to all despite the Dub's atempts to keep it in Dublin (That was a joke, before all you from the pale get upset). Therefor all information at the AGM is open and should be available. The National committee has a closed forum to discuss what it likes and that should be enough. We should be spreading polo to everyone not hiding it. More information, PR and open discussions should be our goal.

And yes I only bitching because I couldn't make it to the AGM:)

[Tony.G.]

I was not aware that there was an acting secretary. I nderstood that the only person acting was you as Chairperson.

Can you post to my home address a copy of the Irish Canoe Polo Constitution. I am sure the secretary knows the address.

Tony Griffin.

[Tony.G.]

Extract from information posted by Adrian Barber on the 8-10-04.

Any member of the I.C.U. is applicable to vote at the A.G.M.

Any clarification on above.

Tony Griffin.

[Derek]

can i get a copy of constitution aswell il pm my home address to chairperson

[niall]

And who asked for a closed forum for the AGM minutes? If they read this maybe you could explain why?

I would like to know your reason for excluding people from canoe polo?

[Tom]

Hi TOny,

Just to let you know that the post by Adrian on the 8/10/04 WAS incorrect. I posted a note after this to clarify the constitution. The constitution states that only people who have played in the prevoius year can vote at an AGM, not all members of the ICU.

On another note I hope that the incomming committee can build on the good work put into canoe polo by the past committees AND STOP THE INTERNAL POLITICS THAT IS KILLING OUR SPORT. I have been on the national committee for 7 years and I must say while I enjoyed working on the committee and hosting the European Canoe Polo championships in 2003 (which a lot of people thought we couldn't do and slandered the hosting committee) but a lot of people in polo (not to generalise though) are all about themselves and fail to see the bigger picture. Unless the internal fighting and internal policits in our sport stops, our sport will not move forward to where it should be.
Tom

[GrainneOK]

The constitution states that only people who have played in the prevoius year can vote at an AGM, not all members of the ICU.



I am a little concerned at this.

Does that mean that if for example, an international polo player who represented Ireland for say 10 years and then retired, would they not be allowed vote at the next AGM???

Seems a waste to me, not to use the knowledge and experience of such an ex-player.

Maybe time for new commitee to rethink this rule?

[niall]

No nationality is included in this. Therefore anyone who played polo last year may vote. This leads to the logic anyone of any nation, who played polo in any country may vote.This also lends to my arguement of posting the AGM minutes for all to read, rather than the select few who will be allowed into the closed forum people suggested?

[Tom]

You must have played polo here and have registered with the ICU, because you cannot play polo here in ireland (technically) unless you are registered with the ICU as you must have an ICU number to play NCPC compeititions.


Tom

[Tom]

I am a little concerned at this.

Does that mean that if for example, an international polo player who represented Ireland for say 10 years and then retired, would they not be allowed vote at the next AGM???

Seems a waste to me, not to use the knowledge and experience of such an ex-player.

Maybe time for new commitee to rethink this rule?
Why only international players what about the other players who have played polo since it started in Ireland? I know you are only using an example. It is good to see players question the constitution, no players have ever brought amendments on the constitution (outside the committee), this would be great to see.

However the reason why this was put in the constitution was to help form some basis on which voting is controlled at the AGM/EGM.

Looking forward to seeing some amendments to the constitution and next years AGM

Tom

[GrainneOK]

It is good to see players question the constitution, no players have ever brought amendments on the constitution (outside the committee), this would be great to see.

It is difficult to question the constitution , when its not publically available.

[Tony.G.]

Tom.

Can you please clarify the following :


Just to let you know that the post by Adrian on the 8/10/04 WAS incorrect. I posted a note after this to clarify the constitution. The constitution states that only people who have played in the prevoius year can vote at an AGM, not all members of the ICU.


When was this included in the constitution.


Tony.

[niall]

Just to pick holes out of interest, no other reason (before the politic's excuse gets thrown at me):

"You must have played polo here and have registered with the ICU, because you cannot play polo here in ireland (technically) unless you are registered with the ICU as you must have an ICU number to play NCPC compeititions."


1. It doesn't say you have to be ICU? And what about CANI?
I mean when I talked to the BCU polo committee awhile back, they were under the impression that there was an agreement that the Irish canoepolo committee were taking care of CANI members too?

2. Not to speak of the Agreement between the ICU and CANI committees on cross border events.

3. As for the ICU membership, do the National committee get a list of all members before the AGM and check?

4. Why only the previous year? And if I am on a Team sheet but don't get on the water, do I still count as having played?

[Tom]

Just to clarify I AM NO LONGER ON THE NATIONAL COMMITTEE SO I CANNOT SPEAK ON THEIR BEHALF, I CAN ONLY SPEAK FROM EXPERIENCE.

Tony, The line about the members was on the constitution since its inception in 1997.

Niall,
Yes there are holes in the constitution. The constitution states ICU members, but as you correctly stated with the cross border agreements this includes CANI. The secretary of the committee maintains a register of players registered at national competitions which would include ICU numbers. I was not present at the AGM so I dont know if this was checked against the sign in list. Once a player is registered with a team to play then they are registered with the National Committee for the purpose of AGM participation.

Tom

[Tony.G.]

This is to the present chairperson and acting chairperson at the last A.G.M..

Why was the rule re voting adhered to at the last A.G.M.
Was it agreed by the outgoing committee.
Did the other committee members present on the night know it was going to be inforced.
Why was there not enough copies of the constitution available at the meeting, I have never seen a copy up to or at the A.G.M.


How many people attended the A.G.M.

Tony.

[atbarber]

Folks

If you would like to call me I will happily answer your questions but bombarding the website like this only agrivates the situation.

CANI is affilliated to the ICU therefore members are allowed to vote.

We are working to get the new website working and the constitution will be available there.

The clauses in the current constitution as updated in 2003 are as follows:

2. Membership.



Membership of the association shall include:


2.1 2.1 All people registered at events run under the auspices of the National Canoe Polo Committee (hereafter referred to as the Committee), in the preceding calendar year.


2.2 Anyone who registers with the committee and pays the appropriate membership fee as set by the A.G.M.



2.3 All playing members must be current members of the I.C.U.



2.4 A register of all members shall be kept by the committee.

4.1 All members of the Association shall be entitled to attend and vote at the A.G.M./E.G.M

I have developed a database of players gathered from the entries to the National leagues and local leagues over the last three years. I am still awaiting to receive one or two tournaments but of the people at the meeting only two were not on this database.

I hope this answers some of the questions but guys we are all trying to make the sport work for all our paddlers.

Anyone who does not play are welcome to register as an individual. The fee is the same as the contributions from the leagues to the committee.

Guys please take note that this site is seen by not only Irish competitors but competitors all over the World. Articles that we see posted here do give an impression of how things are running in a country. We are working to try and develop a framework from which we can move our sport into a successful and progressive organisation. This can only be done by the people who have given up their free time and effort to develop this sport. Lets work at this together.

The constitution cannot be changed outside an EGM/AGM. When we get it up on the site look through it and put together motions for changes to be made if you feel it is required. You are welcome to submit them to the committee at any time for review.

It is not the committee that decides the constitution but its members. The membershipmaccepted this constitution when is was implemented and accepted changes made to it since.

Thank you for trying to help to move the sport forward. Lets have your feedback directly to the committee and not in an open forum.

We can only be successful by working together to make this sport successful.

Adrian Barber
ICU Canoe Polo Committee Chair.

[Tony.G.]

Adrian.

CANI is affilliated to the ICU therefore members are allowed to vote

I am a LIFE member of C.A.N.I.
Membership Number BCU/NI/130/Life.
So according to the above statement I had a vote ?.

2.1 2.1 All people registered at events run under the auspices of the National Canoe Polo Committee (hereafter referred to as the Committee), in the preceding calendar year.

I was an official at the Irish Open.
So according to the above statement I had a Vote ?

On the 30th June 2004 I was appointed as an Irish Team Official as joint delegation leader and assistant team manager to both the ladies and mens team at the 6th Worlds Canoe Polo Championships 2004 in Miyoshi, Japan.
So according to the above statement I had a vote ?

Anyone who does not play are welcome to register as an individual. The fee is the same as the contributions from the leagues to the committee.
This statement was mentioned at the A.G.M. This was the first a lot of people heard of it.

It is not the committee that decides the constitution but its members. The membershipmaccepted this constitution when is was implemented and accepted changes made to it since.
Anyone who does not play are welcome to register as an individual. The fee is the same as the contributions from the leagues to the committee.
How was the membership to know about the changes when most did not see the Constitution.

but of the people at the meeting only two were not on this database. Again I want to know how many people attended.

All members were not allowaed to vote as when members were nominated for a position they were asked to leave the meeting for the vote. Did this not deprive them of their vote.
Constitution not adhered to.

I have attended previous A.G.M. and was allowed to vote.
Constitution not adhered to.

This can only be done by the people who have given up their free time and effort to develop this sport. Lets work at this together.
Over the last number of years I have given up a lot of time helping . I am angry at being refused a vote on principle and then when I read some of the reasons people have a right to vote this angers me more.

Tony Griffin.


Folks

If you would like to call me I will happily answer your questions but bombarding the website like this only agrivates the situation.

CANI is affilliated to the ICU therefore members are allowed to vote.

We are working to get the new website working and the constitution will be available there.

The clauses in the current constitution as updated in 2003 are as follows:

2. Membership.



Membership of the association shall include:


2.1 2.1 All people registered at events run under the auspices of the National Canoe Polo Committee (hereafter referred to as the Committee), in the preceding calendar year.


2.2 Anyone who registers with the committee and pays the appropriate membership fee as set by the A.G.M.



2.3 All playing members must be current members of the I.C.U.



2.4 A register of all members shall be kept by the committee.

4.1 All members of the Association shall be entitled to attend and vote at the A.G.M./E.G.M

I have developed a database of players gathered from the entries to the National leagues and local leagues over the last three years. I am still awaiting to receive one or two tournaments but of the people at the meeting only two were not on this database.

I hope this answers some of the questions but guys we are all trying to make the sport work for all our paddlers.

Anyone who does not play are welcome to register as an individual. The fee is the same as the contributions from the leagues to the committee.

Guys please take note that this site is seen by not only Irish competitors but competitors all over the World. Articles that we see posted here do give an impression of how things are running in a country. We are working to try and develop a framework from which we can move our sport into a successful and progressive organisation. This can only be done by the people who have given up their free time and effort to develop this sport. Lets work at this together.

The constitution cannot be changed outside an EGM/AGM. When we get it up on the site look through it and put together motions for changes to be made if you feel it is required. You are welcome to submit them to the committee at any time for review.

It is not the committee that decides the constitution but its members. The membershipmaccepted this constitution when is was implemented and accepted changes made to it since.

Thank you for trying to help to move the sport forward. Lets have your feedback directly to the committee and not in an open forum.

We can only be successful by working together to make this sport successful.

Adrian Barber
ICU Canoe Polo Committee Chair.

[atbarber]

Tony

You can bring your points up at the next AGM. This is not the proper method for discusiing these matters.

If you would like to bring your points to committee then let us know and we can invite you to the next meeting.

Adrian

[JOHN CAFFREY]

the fact is that everybody should be aware that there is a constution.nobody is saying that nothing can be changed on this document but that can only be done at an agm so if people get there changes ready perhaps we can change the constution at next agm.the comm are right to have enforced this at agm as this is the rules handed down from previous comm's,nobody has yet argued against any changes to this but are merely pointing out that it is in writing and that is why the comm had to abide by it.it would be more concerning if the comm was not using their constut as than the rules are open to whoever wants to make them.it is practice at agm that when a vote between 2 candidates has to take place that they leave the room.i presume in accepting their nomination that these candidates are than saying that they would vote for themselves and than the votes could be actually seen to cancell each other out(my veiw).
so if people instead of snipping at each other could study the constution and pencil down proposed and realistic changes for next agm all people and our sport would be the better for it.thanks for your last 30 secs
cheers john

[Tony.G.]

John.

The constitution was not adhered to.

Membership.
Membership of the association shall include:
2.1 All people registered at events run under the auspices of the National Canoe Polo Committee(hereafter referred to as the Committee) in the preceding calandar year.

I was denied a vote at the Annual general Meeting which was open to all members and I am entitled to get answers and this is the only forum available to me and let other members know of my situation.

Some votes at last years A.G.M. were (secret ) writte, so that makes your point invalid.

How can people argue against changes when a lot of people never saw the constitution in the first place.

Tony Griffin.


the fact is that everybody should be aware that there is a constution.nobody is saying that nothing can be changed on this document but that can only be done at an agm so if people get there changes ready perhaps we can change the constution at next agm.the comm are right to have enforced this at agm as this is the rules handed down from previous comm's,nobody has yet argued against any changes to this but are merely pointing out that it is in writing and that is why the comm had to abide by it.it would be more concerning if the comm was not using their constut as than the rules are open to whoever wants to make them.it is practice at agm that when a vote between 2 candidates has to take place that they leave the room.i presume in accepting their nomination that these candidates are than saying that they would vote for themselves and than the votes could be actually seen to cancell each other out(my veiw).
so if people instead of snipping at each other could study the constution and pencil down proposed and realistic changes for next agm all people and our sport would be the better for it.thanks for your last 30 secs
cheers john

[Tony.G.]

Adrian I again ask for the points raised be answered here as they cane about at the A.G.M. in front of a lot of members.

Tony Griffin.

Tony

You can bring your points up at the next AGM. This is not the proper method for discusiing these matters.

If you would like to bring your points to committee then let us know and we can invite you to the next meeting.

Adrian

[Tony.G.]

Adrian.

I do not feel it is correct to have to wait for a year to have my points answered.



Adrian I again ask for the points raised be answered here as they cane about at the A.G.M. in front of a lot of members.

Tony Griffin.

[TheMasterG]

...The constitution was not adhered to...
Actually it was. "Registered at events" means registered as a player, so if you weren't you(or anyone else) could have done the following :

Anyone who does not play are welcome to register as an individual. The fee is the same as the contributions from the leagues to the committee.
The current constitution is not new so you can't blame the committee for what's in it nor for enforcing it. And the committee can't be blamed for previous committees not following it.

If you and/or other disagree with what's in the constitution then make a proposal and have it changed at the next AGM, this can only be changed by the members, not the committee.

I'm sorry you feel that your vote was taken from you but the rules as they are written were enforced - as they should have been. I hope you'll stay in the Irish polo scene but you really don't have a case here.

G :)
Current committee member

[Tony.G.]

G.

All people registered at events run under the auspices of the national canoe polo committee.

This does not read " All players registered at events "

As I asked before why was there not sufficient copies of the constitution available then this situation would not have happened.


Can you explain the following.
The current constitution is not new so you cant blame the committee for what is in it nor for enforcing it.
So what was used ?.


When I was not allowed to vote the present committee was not elected this was being conducted under any other business.



Actually it was. "Registered at events" means registered as a player, so if you weren't you(or anyone else) could have done the following :


The current constitution is not new so you can't blame the committee for what's in it nor for enforcing it. And the committee can't be blamed for previous committees not following it.

If you and/or other disagree with what's in the constitution then make a proposal and have it changed at the next AGM, this can only be changed by the members, not the committee.

I'm sorry you feel that your vote was taken from you but the rules as they are written were enforced - as they should have been. I hope you'll stay in the Irish polo scene but you really don't have a case here.

G :)
Current committee member

[atbarber]

Tony

As I have already stated here you are welcome to come to a committee meeting and we will gladly answer your questions.

This forum can be seen by all the canoe polo world not just in Ireland.

Adrian

[Tony.G.]

Adrian.

I still want the questions answered. This is the only forum open to members in Ireland. I am sure people would be interested in the answers.
I would also like to see the answers to the other questions that were asked in this forum.

Tony Griffin.

Tony

As I have already stated here you are welcome to come to a committee meeting and we will gladly answer your questions.

This forum can be seen by all the canoe polo world not just in Ireland.

Adrian

[niall]

Well, being ignorant of the issue's involved. It sounds like there was a problem at the AGM. I believe that, if issues were raised which caused members to be excluded then these issues should be dealt with by the committee.

Waiting for an AGM and running the risk of repeating such problems again should be avoided.

As for hiding any issue, I am against that. I believe that transparency is the best option for keeping everything above board and all involved. It is one thing to hide team tactics, another to hide discussions which would benefit all.

As I said, I have no exact knowledge of the problem at hand. But who cares what anyone thinks, what matters is polo moves forward. And if anyone thinks this means not providing critic or pointing out omissions, then they haven't meet me. :D

[TheMasterG]

Why was the rule re voting adhered to at the last A.G.M. Because it's in the constitution and it should be!
Was it agreed by the outgoing committee. Yes
Did the other committee members present on the night know it was going to be inforced. Yes
Why was there not enough copies of the constitution available at the meeting, I have never seen a copy up to or at the A.G.M. There wasn't a copy for every individual but there were plenty to go around, if you didn't see it you mustn't have asked anyone for a look - plenty of others saw it that evening, you only had to ask.
How many people attended the A.G.M. ~43

G.

All people registered at events run under the auspices of the national canoe polo committee.

This does not read " All players registered at events "
** No it doesn't and it probably should be written clearer but the only "people" that are currently registered at events are players so they are the only people that this can apply to ie. officials etc. are not registered at events so they are not included in this.

Can you explain the following.
The current constitution is not new so you cant blame the committee for what is in it nor for enforcing it.
So what was used ?. Well it seems not all parts of the constitution were adhered to in previous years but I can't answer on that as it was before my day on the committee. All I know is that at the last AGM, the outgoing committee followed the constitution as it's currently written.

I am a LIFE member of C.A.N.I. ...So according to the above statement I had a vote ?.See ** post above

I was an official at the Irish Open.
So according to the above statement I had a Vote ?See ** post above

...I was appointed as an Irish Team Official ...
So according to the above statement I had a vote ?See ** post above

I hope this makes it clearer :)

[Mike]

Just to let you know that the post by Adrian on the 8/10/04 WAS incorrect. I posted a note after this to clarify the constitution. The constitution states that only people who have played in the prevoius year can vote at an AGM, not all members of the ICU.

Tom,
Where is this note clarifying the constitution?
The only post that I can find from you on the matter is linked here (http://www.canoepolo.com/forum/showpost.php?p=35849&postcount=9)

And it is clearly stated there that

Who has a right to vote?
All ICU members are eligible to vote

[Mike]

It is difficult to question the constitution , when its not publically available.
The constitution is now available on http://www.canoepolo.ie in PDF format. If anyone wants it in a different format, let me know and I will see what I can do.

[GrainneOK]

The constitution is now available on http://www.canoepolo.ie (http://www.canoepolo.ie/) in PDF format. If anyone wants it in a different format, let me know and I will see what I can do.

Thanks Mike!
Great to see the new commitee is working on making things available on the web. :)

[atbarber]

Mike

Tom send me a private message stating that the correction. I did not change the posting at the time.

Thanks for putting the constitution up.

Adrian

[Mike]

Tom send me a private message stating that the correction. I did not change the posting at the time.

But Tom also posted saying that any ICU member could vote...

[Tony.G.]

But Tom also posted saying that any ICU member could vote...


Is this what you were looking for.
Extract from A.G.M. Posted by Niall 06/10/04

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This is what the constitution states about the AGM

3. Committee



3.1 The Association shall be governed by the Committee which is a recognised sub-committee of the I.C.U. The officers will be drawn from the members and will ideally consist of:



Chairperson.

Secretary

And 3 other persons.

The duties of the committee will include

Development

Referring

Equipment Provision

Squad liason

Competition co-ordination

Youth Officer.

PRO

One of the elected 5 members must assume the role of treasurer. The members will serve for a 2 year term with the Chairperson and 2 other members rotating every even year and the secretary and the other member rotating on every odd year


4. A.G.M.


4.1 All members of the Association shall be entitled to attend and vote at the A.G.M./E.G.M.



4.2 21 days notice will be given of the A.G.M. to members of the association. The quorum shall be 20 members of those entitled to vote. The chairperson shall delay the meeting until a quorum is present. If after 1 hour there is no such quorum, then the secretary shall be instructed to call an E.G.M. within 30 days, the 21 days notice does not apply in this case, and the business of such a meeting will proceed regardless of the number present.

The business of the A.G.M./E.G.M is to execute the agenda as drawn up by the committee which is to include officer reports, motions, and the election of the officers.



4.3 Motions for inclusion at the A.G.M. should be forwarded by registered post or e-mail to the Chairperson not later than 10 days before the date of the A.G.M. All motions accepted at the AGM come into effect immediately after the A.G.M.

4.4 Voting is by majority show of hands.




Agenda normally




1. Minutes from last AGM



2. Chairpersons address



3. Officers Reports



4. Adoption of the financial accounts



5. Motions



6. 6. A.O.B


7. Election of Officers

- 2 Committee members

- Chairperson



8 Close of meeting


How can motions for inclusion be submitted?
Sent to the chair 10 days before the AGM

What is the closing date?
27th October

What positions on the commitee are up for election?
The chairperson and 2 other members as per the constitution (even year)

How can nominations be submitted?
Names just need to be put forward.

What is the closing date?
The constitution does not set a date this can be done at the AGM

Who has a right to vote?
All ICU members are eligible to vote

Do we need to bring ICU membership card? Yes

Is it confined to over 18's? No the constitution states that all polo players have the right to vote

Will accounts be available this year?
Yes as they were last year but this year in the ICU format. Adrian did not
ask me this question.

Hope this clarifies the position regarding the AGM

Tom

[Tony.G.]

Posted on 08/10/04

AGM Details
Folks

The committee has decided that the AGM is to be held on the 6th November in WWKC Clubhouse, Strawberry Beds, Chapelizod. (This may be changed to the ICU offices pending enough space and availablility)

There will be a referees training course held before the event. This is a worthwhile course to attend. All names to Alex Stanley: - alex@riverstyle.com . Details will be in separate thread.

The AGM will start at 5pm. (With the refs course on from 10.00 - 4 pm)

Agenda for the AGM
1. Minutes from last AGM
2. Chairpersons address
3. Officers Reports
4. Adoption of the financial accounts
5. Motions
6. A.O.B
7. Election of Officers
- 2 Committee members
- Chairperson
8 Close of meeting

Motions to arrive at the Acting Chairpersons address with a proposer and seconder:
Adrian Barber
19 Rockwood
Lucan
Co. Dublin
no later than 27th October 2004.

Nominations for posts welcomed in advance but these can be made at the AGM.

Any member of the ICU is applicable to vote at the AGM.

Any questions please let me know.

(Careful consideration was given to Limerick as an alternative venue but the committee felt that this year it should be held in Dublin. Consideration to another venue out of Dublin will be given in the future)
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[Tony.G.]

Was the constitution that is on Canoe Polo.ie posted on 25/11/04 the same one as handed out and used at the Annual General meeting.
Tony.

[TheMasterG]

Yes, there is only one.

...Any member of the ICU is applicable to vote at the AGM... ...All ICU members are eligible to vote I think these should have read "Members of the association" rather than ICU members.

[Tony.G.]

Yes, there is only one.

I think these should have read "Members of the association" rather than ICU members.

But it did not.

Tony Griffin.

[Tony.G.]

Is there a cost for a player to become a member of the National Canoe Polo Association.
Tony Griffin.

[atbarber]

4.1 All members of the Association shall be entitled to attend and vote at the A.G.M./E.G.M.

This is what the Constitution states. Anything that has been posted otherwise has been posted wrong. The constitution has to be applied at the AGM. This can also only be changed at an AGM/EGM.

We have asked the Irish Canoe Unions Executive and National Council to review ALL the subcommittees constitutions. They shall make recommendations for the best way for the constitutions to be ammended were necessary so that they fall under the ethos of the sport. These changes can then be brought into the next AGM or if necessary an EGM to ensure that the sport to move forward.

As I stated to you on the phone on Saturday nobody at the AGM was out to target you and ensure that you did not have a vote. We were only appling what the constitution says and unfortunately only yourself and one other person were unable to vote. Lets get a motion in to ensure that representatives who are working for the betterment of the sport, like yourself, also have the right to vote at the AGM. If you can come up with new wording for this clause then please let us know and we will ensure that it is brought up at the next AGM.

The cost for registration is €15.00. This is payable at all National Events and at the local leagues. This money goes towards development of the sport.

The ICU Training and Development Unit also ask for a registration fee and only those people who have paid this can vote at the TDU AGM.

Adrian Barber

[Tony.G.]

The cost for registration is €15.00. This is payable at all National Events and at the local leagues. This money goes towards development of the sport.
Not stated in constitution under membership. in paragraph below.
Team entry forms state : National Committee Development Levy per team.
Not to join the Association.


2.1 All people registered at events run under the auspices of the National Canoe Polo Committee (hereafter referred to the Committee) in the preceding year.
2.2 Anyone who registers with the committee and pays the appropriate membership fee as set by the A.G.M.
2.3 All player members must be current members of the I.C.U.
2.4 A register of all members shall be kept by the committee.

2.2 Anyone who registers with the committee and pays the appropriate membership fee as set by the A.G.M.
This is the only reference to fee as set by the a.g.m.
This fee was not set at the last years (2003) A.G.M.

I am not impressed with you bringing up part of a private conversation. I stated that this was private to you before our discussion took place.
You requested to have the discussion.

Tony Griffin.

[atbarber]

Tony

I am trying to deal with this as I see appropriate. I have tried to deal with this offline and online but you do not seem to want a resolution. We are trying our best to move the sport forward but no matter what is said you seem to come back in attack mode. I am sorry that you feel that people are out to get you but as far as I am concerned I have not heard anyone say anything negative about you. People only say that you have put a lot of effort into the sport and that we hope you feel that has been appreciated by us all.

Conversations like this online only harm the sport and you are making me feel that I should walk away from the sport as well. The people on the committees are not paid and do not claim any expenses. We are giving up our own time and stress to see a sport we feel strongly about develop. Let this matter end and let us get on with moving this sport forward.

Adrian

[Tony.G.]

I want to start by congratulating you Adrian, Caoimhe, Cathal and Alex as committee members at the last A.G.M. for bringing the constitution out in the open.

My argument was against the wording of the constitution and its grey areas.
There are a lot of things wrong with the wording that made it impossible to provide definate answers.
I believe you were caught in the middle as Chairperson, I was caught because the contitution as interperated applied to me.
Previosely the constitution was not available to read by the vast majority of Players and the people that volunteered over the years to help in promoting canoe polo.
I was prevented from voting but the people at the A.G.M. allowed me to go forward for a committee position if proposed. This showes me that people were not entirely happy with certain issues that had arose.
I would like to see the constitution to be re examined and all areas looked at.( Insurance, Fairer yearley membership for all to join, Voting procedures. Some way to silence the s**t stirrers who cause a lot of problems. Players grading system for compititions. Club affiliation. C.A.N.I. members position but to mention a few.
Perhaps some of the s**t stirrers might volunteer on a committee to look at the constitution ?.
I could ramble on but now it is time to finish as I feel I have made by views known.

Committee for this year :


You have a hard year ahead and I would like to wish you all the best of luck for the comming year and remember to work as a team.
A lot of people will be hoping that you will not be too successful. ( I have to choose my words here )
You have inherited difficulties and are already heading in the right direction by informing people by publishing the constitution, Looking after the ladies development, publishing the committee members post of responcibility if a particular issue needs to be addressed. ( Please by writing through the secretary ) so a written record can be filed.

At present I am not not a member of the National Canoe Polo Association but I will be going to Squad Sessions, Competitions in Ireland and abroad so I will be keeping in contact

Wishing you every success.:wavey:

Tony Griffin.