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Izzy
27-01-2004, 10:51 AM
The Article 36 of the Rules describes Illegal Holding as following:

”A player restricting the movement of an opposing player or gaining support or propulsion by placing their hand, arm, body or paddle on the kayak, or holding the opposing player or equipment.”

What if a ball in a hand not a body part or paddle touches a kayak?

Situation 1: A player has a ball in his hand and he placing a ball (while still holding it) on opponent’s kayak.

Situation 2: Player A put his arm over the nose of opponent’s (player B) kayak and put his hand on a ball. Player B paddles forward in order to steal the ball, his kayak touches the ball which is still in a water and which is firmly held by player A.

Do you see Illegal Holding in these situations? In situation 2 player A restricted the movement of an opposing player by holding the ball but he never touched an opponent’s kayak by his body, arm or hand.

troy
27-01-2004, 09:22 PM
In NZ we have included the "ball-in-hand" in this rule:

i.e. "Holding occurs when a player restricts the movement of an opponent, or gains support or propulsion, by placing their hand, BALL IN HAND , arm, body or paddle in contact with the kayak or body of an opponent, ..."

This covers the situations you refer to, which aren't explicitly covered in the ICF Rules.

mrkeeg
27-01-2004, 10:59 PM
... or what if you reach across someones bow (with paddle or hand) and roll the ball over thier boat?

Keegan

subzero
28-01-2004, 01:33 PM
As long as no part of their body or equipment i.e. paddle touches the other persons kayak then your allowed to do that.

I've just taken my grade 3 ref course and this rule was clarified for us.

Hope that helps.

Luv Ya

Subbie

Izzy
28-01-2004, 09:38 PM
Originally posted by subzero
As long as no part of their body or equipment i.e. paddle touches the other persons kayak then your allowed to do that.

I've just taken my grade 3 ref course and this rule was clarified for us.

Hope that helps.

Luv Ya

Subbie

Hey Subbie,

Are you talking about only Keegan's example or mine too?

Izzy

chiang
28-01-2004, 11:21 PM
Based on what you say Subbie,

If I have possession of the ball in hand and my opponent's boat is within hand's reach, I could then use the ball (as an extension of my arm) to thrust his boat out of the way so long as my hands, body, nor paddle comes into contact with his boat. Basically, if I am about to shoot, I could very well push the defender out of my way. Sounds really suspect to me...or maybe I am interpreting your explanation incorrectly.

Now I am really confused about what I can and cannot do.

Cheers,
--Tony