2 Referee questions

[Gin]

Situation one:
Player A in posession and right in front of the oppoenent`s goal (but it doesn`t really matter), palyer B on his deck (not on spray deck). Player A deliberate capsizing with a ball to remove an opponent form the deck. A card ?
Situation two:
The ball is slightly aside from empty frame, both attacker and defender going to it side to side. Defender is external and attacker is internal. All of others are behind them.
So attacker infringe p.38.7. But in fact the goal (if it ) will be scored. So what is right interpritation?

[paulb]

In situation 2, if the defending player fulfils this criterion:

The goalkeeper’s body must be facing into the playing area and attempting to maintain a position within one metre of the centre of the goal line.

a foul has occurred. If not such as when the two players are both going towards the goal, then no foul has occured.

I don't understand situation 1. What infringement do you suspect the player to be guilty of?

[Remko]

38.7: An attacker must not actively prevent a defender from taking the position as goalkeeper.
When noone has the ball there is officially no attacker and no defender. So you can't break rule 38.7 untill one of the players gets posession of the ball.

[Izzy]

Originally posted by Remko
38.7: An attacker must not actively prevent a defender from taking the position as goalkeeper.
When noone has the ball there is officially no attacker and no defender. So you can't break rule 38.7 untill one of the players gets posession of the ball.


Remko,

According to your logic it is legal to tackle a goalkeeper at the moment when an attacker player pass the ball to the open water out of hand reach (no player has a possession).
To my mind a team is concidered to be an attacking team to the moment when the opposite team has control of the ball not to the moment when no player has a possession of the ball.

[Remko]

But when they are both sprinting for the ball side by side, neither player has control of the ball, so there is no attacking team.
Right?

[Izzy]

Originally posted by Remko
But when they are both sprinting for the ball side by side, neither player has control of the ball, so there is no attacking team.
Right?

Somebody threw the ball to the open water before they started their sprints side-by-side. Right? The team, which did it, is considered as an attacking team. It will remain its status till other team gets control of the ball.

[spikes]

Surely if the player nearest the goal is competing for the ball they can no longer be considered the goalkeeper?

In the situation where a member of the attacking team has passed the ball and it is mid flight the attacking team is still deemed to be in control and therefore contact with the keeper is illegal.

In a one on one situation (keeper vs attacker) if the keeper remains under the goal they are entitled to protection from intereference but if the keeper comes out to compete for the ball it is open play and contact is allowed.

This is the way I would ref the situation, would that be correct?

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