c1 polo

[slalomguyjay]

Don't you think making a c1 polo comp. you know where you kneel and have half a blade. I mean you would be higher up in the boat and could dip more but probably go over a bit more.

[Mr. Bungle]

What about X1 polo

You're sitting on your knees like a c-boater but you're paddling with a regular 2-bladed k1 paddle. The best of both worlds!!!

Has anyone tried this yet in a polo-kayak? Can you enter competition on your knees? etc...

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[paulb]

This X-1 idea was discussed in a thread about the definition of "kayak". The rules state that you must be in a kayak, but don't say what that means.

The core question is: If you take the seat out of a kayak, and replace it with a canoe seat and straps, does it become a canoe, or is it a kayak with a canoe seat in it?

[missy]

i reckon its still i kayak as long as you use kayak blades!

who made up the kayak/canoe rules anyway? in most countries their is still confusion as to weather ppl went canoeing/kayaking on school tours or holidays!

and most the cluds in ireland are canoe clubs, but the canoes are very few!

thats my :twocents: cos i'm board :silly:

[paulb]

Isn't it illogical to suggest that the type of boat depends on the paddle being used?

If you are kayaking, and your paddle shaft breaks, so that you only have one blade, are you suddenly canoeing?
If you sit in a big open canoe holding a kayak paddle, is it a kayak?
If the boat is on your roofrack, noone is paddling it. How do you know whether it is a kayak or a canoe?

[missy]

ok ok so i didnt think about my post :stupid:

so how are they different, is it all based on the seat or what, now i'm all confused, its wrong to think about thinks this much, me thinks :sleep:

[Mr. Bungle]

When adapting a K1 poloboat to a C1 or X1, the boat stays a kayak, as the boat is especially designed for kayaking. The problem is that nowadays in WW C1 rodeo competition most C-boats are adapted K-boats. That is the reason why people nowadays don't see the difference anymore. The difference between a slalom C1 and slalom K1 is still big, it is a bit wider and 'the 2nd stability wings' are much bigger and more to the back. Therefore, a slalom C1 without a seat is still recognisable as a C-boat.

Anyway, I will adapt my old revenge to a x1.

greetz

[slalomguyjay]

vajda martikan c1 with wings

[slalomguyjay]

and a vajda retro see the difference

[missy]

so should canoepolo be kayakpolo or am i going way off the topic now!

and so is a boat defined as canoe/kayak based on what it was originally designed for?

[subzero]

No your right canoe polo should be Kayak polo

But the word canoe has been taken, so you say my canoe club when you all paddle kayaks and canoe polo when it's kayak polo and i've just been canoeing instead of i've just been kayaking.

Alos the french couldn't decided so the word for both canoeing and kayaking is canoe-kayak (i think they have the right idea.)

Luv Ya

Subbie

[slalomguyjay]

does the name matter?

[benwickland]

.... :guns:

[missy]

"whats in a name,
by which we call a rose,
why any other word would smell as sweet...."

[paulb]

Originally posted by Mr. Bungle
The problem is that nowadays in WW C1 rodeo competition most C-boats are adapted K-boats.

But surely you cannot enter a kayak into a canoe class in a competition? That suggests that the adaptation is complete, and that a K-boat adapted for C1 rodeo is now a canoe.

[c1slalom]

you have to sitting on your ass to be a true kayak. jon lugbill in 1980's tried to use a c-1 for a k1( use a kayak paddle) entering it as a kayak. a rule was was made up right after that- was done to prevent it happening again

[tyler]

a few things:

The problem is that nowadays in WW C1 rodeo competition most C-boats are adapted K-boats.
In Cdn. nationals for freestyle a C-1er kicked the crap out of all the kayakers and took 1'st place.

I think as soon as your kneeling your in a canoe. So why do we all play canoe polo, and why am I talking about this on canoepolo.com. Why? because no one realy cares -at least I don't- you could tell me you play canoe polo or kayak polo and I would still know what you're talking about

by the way what do you guys think about C-2 polo? you could have the front guy cary the ball and the back guy paddle him around. That way you can dribble the ball while your still paddleing. :thumbup: (using a kayak paddle of course), or would that make it half kayak and half canoe?
-then you could call it canak polo, everey body wins. :drunk:

[Jadriman]

Originally posted by missy
so should canoepolo be kayakpolo or am i going way off the topic now!


For example, in Spain we call it kayak-polo. But as many people says, the name doesn't matter.

And canak-polo is a funny name!! :)

[missy]

Originally posted by tyler
a few things:
by the way what do you guys think about C-2 polo? you could have the front guy cary the ball and the back guy paddle him around. That way you can dribble the ball while your still paddleing. :thumbup: (using a kayak paddle of course), or would that make it half kayak and half canoe?
-then you could call it canak polo, everey body wins. :drunk:

if the back person using kayak paddle why dont you just leave it as k2! obviously not as long and pointy as average k2!

as for sitting on your ass in a kayak, i sit on my ass when paddling open canoes cos my lags cramp too much and i am lazy and prefere to sit in the canoe and just drift down the river :thumbup:

[Lee]

k2?
now what fun would that be?
i sit on my ass when paddling open canoes cos my lags cramp too much and i am lazy and prefere to sit in the canoe and just drift down the river

hey man why not jump in a kayak?



-Tyler
(not Lee)

[tyler]

sorry 'bout that dude but Ididn't realy feel like goeing through all that work of changing screen names.



but any ways I realy think this C2 polo thing could catch on

Coming soon: The Cottonwood Kayak Clubs First annual C2 kanak polo invitatinal. :worship:

[Mr. Bungle]

You have to sitting on your ass to be a true kayak.

The name of the boat or the game isn't a big deal indeed.

I still just wonder if you can enter competition on your knees. As an OC1-boater I'm already convinced of the advantages of the kneeling position and I'm also convinced that kayak-polo should be played with a regular 2-bladed paddle (speed, balance and ball-handling). So maybe x1 polo would be revolutionary in his kind without changing anything to the game.

The only big problem will probably be the balance, therefore some C-boaters who play kayak-polo (C1slalom ???) should try to kneel in their K1 polo-boat so we could "self-experience" the eventual survalue of x1 polo.

An especially designed x1 polo-boat (a K1 with C1 wings) would probably be a solution for the balance, but than again we're back to the boat/game/name problem.

So dear C-boaters out their: let's test x1-polo - but before training to hard - we really must know if we can enter competition that way.

cheers

[slalomguyjay]

yea but back to the subject :guns:

wouldn c1 polo be ace. you would be higher up to shoot and save goals. and go over more for fun and can dip loads more. But you would have to put c wings on it just for the extra stability. But one thing to add to stability is a lower seat. with a big seat you may be higher in the boat but less stable as if you had smaller seats. :headbang:

kanak polo would be pretty cool. I think someone should organise a kanak competiton.

Also another idea... a man made polo pitch with a small(ish) stopper close to the net and you can only shoot in the stopper. pretty cool.

And another idea again, playboat shape and length boat with rounded and padded fronts and to score you have to be sort of verticle or pulling a trick to shoot that would be fun bit a bit difficult

[hoody]

Hi all, There was one time at a polo comp !!!!
No seriously I was playing in Essen and in mechlen a good number of years ago now and a few of the teams that we played in these tournaments used to play kneeling in there boats, and not sitting ?. This gave the players a huge advantage when passing, shooting and turning there boats. The only problem with this was stability, you could push them over with 1 finger !!!. I would like to know if any of the forum still play like this or know people that play this way? As we found it quite hard to play against .

[tyler]

i don't think you could get away with putting wings on a converted polo boat (rules might not allow it) or maybe I'm wrong?

any way there sounds like there may be some huge advanteges to kneeling and I'd like to try it if it's leagal. Does someone know about this rule?


Ps. I was thinking some mor about kanak polo :stupid: and I definatly wouldn't want to get T-boned by a c2, so I think it's not worth the trouble, (Unless someone wants to donate a fleet of converted c2's??)

[paulb]

These are the rules governing what boat you may use:
http://www.canoepolo.com/forum/rules.php?s=&page=3#kayaks

http://www.canoepolo.com/forum/rules.php?s=&page=6#kayak

Note that the word kayak is mentioned throughout, and no mention is made regarding seating position.

That is the point of this discussion. How much modification towards becoming a canoe can a kayak stand before it is no longer a kayak?

I have investigated this in other paddlesports, slalom defines the seating position for canoes and kayaks, whereas sprint and marathon do not.

For sprint and marathon, it would (according to the rules) be possible to enter C1 sitting down and K1 kneeling up, as long as the correct paddle is used. That is, unless they assume that this part of the definition of kayak and canoe are unnecessary. This could also be the case in polo.

In short, the only people who could tell you for sure are the rule-makers.

[leighton_uk]

hi
i heard a while ago that alot of dutch players used to make their seats higher, so that u are sat off the water this gave the same sort of effect as kneeling but wasn't questioned in the rules(don't think anyway been a while since i paid any attention to them) but it also sounds like it would be more stable as well

leighton

[tyler]

awhile ago when I was in an evolution I figured that when I got a bigger boat that I would be used to the tippyness and now that I've just about got an xcell I figured that it would be a good Idea to put about two inches of foam in my seat (I wanted the obvious advanteges of being taller without having to pay for sugery :silly: )
But how would you do this? Is it better to put the foam under you'er seat and re ajust it's position, or put it on top of your seat like a realy thick outfitting job?

[hoody]

Thats a good question Tyler, I have been thinking about this subject and have come to the conclusion that I would not fit into my boat if I were to raise my seat and would be very uncomfortable with a good amount of padding in my boat. I dont have massive legs "only mountain bikers" and am 6 foot tall but struggle to get into my boat. If you raise the seat the thigh support will be a very tight fit once in the boat, some people like it a nice snug fit but it can cause cramping. let us know if you raise the seat and how you get on with it.

[Menno]

Originally posted by tyler
But how would you do this? Is it better to put the foam under you'er seat and re ajust it's position, or put it on top of your seat like a realy thick outfitting job?

If you put the foam on the seat, you can't use the whole back of the seat. With me this results in less control of the boat...

When putting the foam under the seat the only thing I can come up with as backdraw is that the foam is not hard enough and therefore doesn't support your seat enough wich could result in the seat breaking up... I don't think this should be a problem...

Menno

[tyler]

I think the only way this would be comfertable would be to buy a seat thats way to big for me and has a high or slalom like back. that way I could outfit all the sides so it would be Proportionate and I would still get the height I am looking for. (and it would be super comfy :p )

[spikes]

Hows about Topo Duo Polo?

Could make for some rather 'interesting' tackles. Might need an enlarged playing area.

Not sure I would fancy sitting in the bow seat and sprinting at the start of the game tho. :bang:

Spikes

[slalomguyjay]

i have seen some padding on top of a seat. apparantly it is pretty good and hr finds it easier to shoot