Best player in Singapore???

[sm82]

:welcome:
a big hi to all polo players in sgp!!! :bfire:
believe all of u out there hav seen the thread on world best players...so like to find out abt the local scene!!!
the polo community in sgp is not too big so i guess u ppl noe quite a number of players that u admire or respect rite!!!

so pls feel free to comment on anything!!! :guns:

if its not too troublesome... hope u ppl can oso name out ur dream team of players!!! :headbang:



:bgrinhat: all comments made are appreciated!!!

[sm82]

mayb i ll start wif a few players....hope u ppl noe them!!!

sorie if i spell ur name wrong

from nus, past and present players
- guo dong
- denesh
- jiahui
- han rong

from sp,
- dave
- hong giap
- ah liang
- ezwan

np,
- jack
- shao yong

tp,
sorie dun really noe their names

[M@D]

i tink it will b better if a description of the player would help
for those who do not knoe them

whats more, why not tok abt who is better playing in which pos. and the reason?

[fuzionist]

Haiz..Tp u dunno any names...sigh*
guess we muz really be an engimatic bunch..hehe~

]:P

[sm82]

no offence... but i really forgot their names
myb u can help mi wif that

basically its a bit hard to say who plays in whh postion coz they may not be playin the same postion every game but mayb wat r their qualities that make so good

just a suggestion

[Unregistered]

.....and introducing the old birds from Red Tide....
Keat Yeow (most senior Singaporean player in Singapore)
Siong Hoe (Ex-NUS Capt....dun play play)
Jason (the speed devil aka BMW)
Xiao Bai(the one with the longest paddle)
Raymond (ICF ref leh, dun play play)

If there is a old man team award, it definately belong to Red Tide...80% play since 1998...

[Unregistered]

.....and introducing the old birds from Red Tide....
Keat Yeow (most senior Singaporean player in Singapore)
Siong Hoe (Ex-NUS Capt....dun play play)
Jason (the speed devil aka BMW)
Xiao Bai(the one with the longest paddle)
Raymond (ICF ref leh, dun play play)

If there is an old man team award, it definately belong to Red Tide...80% play since 1998...

[Unregistered]

Talking about the best player in Sg? How can we forget about SM82. Aint' he the greatest player of all time?

[wizkid]

One of the best player of all is no doubt SM82. Quiet he can be but simply the best u can describe in words. I'll support u on that !!! DUh !!!


:scratch:
Wizkid

[M@D]

Sorri hor, but who is SM82?? :stupid:

Originally posted by wizkid
One of the best player of all is no doubt SM82. Quiet he can be but simply the best u can describe in words. I'll support u on that !!! DUh !!!


:scratch:
Wizkid

[sm82]

hey ppl i fu do not noe who M@D is, he s a very senior player who has played the game a quite a few years now... definately longer than mi!!!!

a lot of skills was taught to mi by him....u all shld noe who he is for this coming champs!!!!! :viking:

no doubt one of the best players here!!!! :gun:

btw...anyone knows if andrew from TP is still playin polo???

[ANYH]

hi sm82

wats up?
im still ard lahh...
:rolleyes:

[fuzionist]

Hey..i recently saw ppl errecting e Canoepolo goalposts at Kallang while kayaking..

haha..thought is seem quite cool man..and it looks new somemore~..looks quite stable too~

so..who uses the goalposts?

[M@D]

some clues 4 u :thumbup:
1) which team trains in kallang?
2) they appeared on tv b4
3) they represent s'pore

get it? if not i guess :withstp:

[CMI]

Originally posted by fuzionist
Hey..i recently saw ppl errecting e Canoepolo goalposts at Kallang while kayaking..

haha..thought is seem quite cool man..and it looks new somemore~..looks quite stable too~

so..who uses the goalposts?

why don't you ask who made the goal post???

[ahlong_san]

hi, i hope i am not disturbing u guyz here but i am new to this site and wanted to tok to my idol (SM82)...

hey SM, i think u are the best zoner in sgp but u lose out because of your size... :worship:

i want to train hard and catch up with u national team guyz but don't think i will be able to, but i will try my best! :barbell:


:viking:

[k-rex]

who is sm82?

[ahlong_san]

simon lor...
:p

[dark_siege]

yo coach, likoon from hcjc here......had fun at oceania huh?

[tootz]

so what is ah long san playing as wat position/s ?? how do you people define a good zoner and good chaser?? :thumbup: basically i think both postition needs a good partnership wif another zoner /chaser in the team.....
size in canoe polo dun really matters, the teamwork and technique is more important.... cos i heard that the japs are not big in size either but their game play is much more better than some BIG size people..... ah long san------ if u really wan to catch up wif ur seniors, u need to :barbell: more and play more one to one wif ur seniors..... i believe this will improve ur skills and confidence level alot..... JIA YOU !!!!!!!!! :cheers:

[ahlong_san]

hey tootz, if i say out my position then ppl will know who am i le, so it will not be fun le.... :p
but my team tried beri hard le, now we meet exam period then everyone sure slack one, fitness sure drop alot!
so bo bian, have to work harder after exams le...

btw, tootz is from??

[tootz]

i see i see , so i assume wing kuen fitness level is dropping also ??? is up to ur self whether u chose to maintain ur fitness or to becum weaker... i juz dun believe people can study for the whole day non stop..... maybe juz need 15 - 30 mins for some work out everyday.... i think that will be good enough to maintain ur fitness level... as for which team i from ==> if i tell u also no fun liao... :silly:

[ahlong_san]

haha, wing kuen fitness definitely will not be dropping...
he is da BEST!
yar, maybe u are right, maybe i should work something out regarding the fitness issue....
damn stress now man!

tootz from any poly?? or from U??

[tootz]

i from polytechnic...... wing keun might not be the best player.... but he is strong in physical and mental( i suppose ) dun be stress.... u can use canoe polo to relieve stress mah.... whahaha....

[ahlong_san]

woah.... u from poly wor...
haha, canoepolo is a nice game but i think our pool slot is not enough... so cannot really enjoy much lor...
Ur pool slots ley, tootz?? enough??
hehe, our pool will be closed during exam period, so no polo for few weeks le!
sianz ley....
:p

[k-rex]

eat more rice with meat lah. this is wat one of my senior always tell me. chi rou pei fan. fitness level confirm will not drop. haha ;)

[k-rex]

Originally posted by tootz
so what is ah long san playing as wat position/s ?? how do you people define a good zoner and good chaser?? :thumbup: basically i think both postition needs a good partnership wif another zoner /chaser in the team.....
size in canoe polo dun really matters, the teamwork and technique is more important.... cos i heard that the japs are not big in size either but their game play is much more better than some BIG size people..... ah long san------ if u really wan to catch up wif ur seniors, u need to :barbell: more and play more one to one wif ur seniors..... i believe this will improve ur skills and confidence level alot..... JIA YOU !!!!!!!!! :cheers:

then keeper dun need to form a partnership with the other team mates? haha. canoe polo is a team sports, all 5 playing during the game are equally important. Not forgetting the 3 subs, they are important too. :cheers:

[CMI]

i would suggest you to do some circuit, running and weights training everyday. Do you know that by doing some exercise everyday can actually boost up your ability in studying and preparing for exam???
for me, my physical don't drop when i am preparing for my exam
in fact it gets better.....in poly, we don't encourage ppl to study hard instead we encourage ppl to study smart!!!

[Winkie]

Hi ! Long time no post ...

Regarding this thread, i think i'll nominate Dinesh from NUS cos of his consistent performance in local competitions in the past 2 yrs...

Erm regarding the previous issues... pls refrain from using my name , paiseh ah , my fitness ok only lah , mental average lah.

I personally believe in constant exercise, in fact for most ppl once they stop their regular exercise regimen, one will feel lethargic. The individual would have to push or restart his body again to start exercising. Thus , it will do you harm to completely stop exercising.

Regarding's k-rex advice of eating only, i think its a BIG no no.....
your meals should contain a balanced meal...u guys shld know...
N not fastfood meals...

Just another extra info. As for Singapore sports... its progress its all sports has always been hindered by studies in young sportsmen.... it will take alot of effort in the individual to do well is his sports n studies likewise....

Just my 2 cents of silly advice.... :twocents:
TO ALL SPCT MEMBERS STUDY HARD...
PLS COME BACK TO TRAINING..... REMEMBER UR GOALS ... !

[DART]

hi there, finally the forum is back with some talking.. with regards to your topic, i think canoepolo is a team sport with 8 equally capable players with good communication, vision,fast response, fast skills and all rounded player. this shall make up a good team. u dun have to possess 100% of everything to be a good player.. in terms of diet, it is more of a individual balance.. dun have to be a fret n stress yourself not to eat this or that. just balance everything it would be the best. :matrix: :bang:

[k-rex]

Originally posted by Winkie
Regarding's k-rex advice of eating only, i think its a BIG no no.....
your meals should contain a balanced meal...u guys shld know...
N not fastfood meals...


haha. this is not my diet. it is a joke between me and xiang long. u dunno wan lah. haha. and i remember my goals. :bang:

[tootz]

sorry if i left out the keeper postition... cos i think there is no keeper .... every one shld be able to be keeper at all times,so during a attack whose the first one to come back then he will be keeper.... tats how they played in other countries... there isn't some one playing one postition only.... keeper shld be able to chase and zone also... example like Dart.... he can keep and chase and zone.... quite good... :stupid:

[tootz]

pai seh , winkie.... juz wanted to prove to ah long that is not during exam period the fitness level will drop, juz using u as a example.... so winkie, are u coming back to train for polo???

[k-rex]

Originally posted by tootz
sorry if i left out the keeper postition... cos i think there is no keeper .... every one shld be able to be keeper at all times,so during a attack whose the first one to come back then he will be keeper.... :stupid:

No keeper? Ok. Very well then, to u anyone can be a keeper. But to me the extra paddle that is infront of the goal post does make a difference. I take pride in my position. :scratch:

[kaoz]

k-rex.... i think tootz is trying to tell u that shld train more other postions lor.... who is sAying u not pUttiNg pride in ur postiOn.... u plAyEd a good keeper posTition.... but dun juz stop there... then u will unDerstand moRe ur team maTes playing methods...

[clarke]

ya speakin of dart.. hmmm... i tink he is the oni player in sg who can play all 3 position equally good...but too bad that boy is gg army soon.. ( stupid )... haiz.. the country need him( oh my, may god bless sinigapore)... yup 2 thumbs up for stanley...

[tootz]

:frosty: i don't think dart is the only person in sgp can play well in three postition.... there sure to have more people like dart in the other teams , juz that we are not familiar wif everyone playing style.... i muz train to be like dart , all rounded player... :bfire:

[haloz]

A good player muz be able to play in any position!!! Its good to specialised in a position but once you find that you have played long enough in a position, there is always no harm trying out new positions!!! It will only make you realised what your team mates are always going through!! This will also help you improve in your ability to read the game!!! Taking pride in your position is very good, however to really strive hard and be a good polo player, we muz make sure that we are an alround player who can fit into any position!!! My 2cents worth!!

[ahlong_san]

haha, u dun have to say my name out one right?
lol...

eh, just now got eat meat? lol...
erm, tml coming down?
haiz, thx for all the tips in getting fit during examination period...

and btw, who is tootz ah?
y dun say ur name ley??
must be a SPian also...
haha, ya DART is a good player but sometimes off form lor...
he last time also not so good one mah, all owe it to his hard work wor...
haha, he going to serve soon liao, best wishes to him lor...

[k-rex]

just now u eat my meat leh. haha tomolo coming down. today very tired.. haha. :hump: tootz is not from sp. dunno where he comes from.

[kaoz]

i think every player has his off period lor, but good thing is he can adapt to the team playing style everytime...... he still trains during exam period lor..... tats a good traing attitude lor....

[degoon]

Originally posted by tootz
sorry if i left out the keeper postition... cos i think there is no keeper .... every one shld be able to be keeper at all times,so during a attack whose the first one to come back then he will be keeper.... tats how they played in other countries... there isn't some one playing one postition only.... keeper shld be able to chase and zone also... example like Dart.... he can keep and chase and zone.... quite good... :stupid:

I disagree with the point that there shld be no fixed keeper in a team. I think that there is such a thing as a 'flair' for goalkeeping; some ppl have it, some ppl don't... so it's impt for a team to have at least one person who is good at goal-keeping (no harm having more) and this keeper does not always have to stay by the goal post. He can drive and shoot also when opportunity arises but generally he is usually the 'last man' and the 'outlet' his team-mates can pass back to in order to reset an attack. However, I agree that in in the case of defense against fast breaks, the first man back to goal shld be the keeper; hence the need for everyone to have some basic goal-keeping skills.

I also agree that keepers shld train for other positions also and vice versa, in other words, everyone shld train to be more versatile; but it's inevitable that some ppl are more suited to one role than another becoz of natural ability.

Juz my 2 cents worth... :twocents:

[ahlong_san]

yup! the team must have at least one guy with gd keeping skill...
ahlong_san thinks -->>(that will keep me in the team??) lol...

but i think the keeper should be beri fast! so....
train harder, ahlong_san, KAMBATE!!!
lol, self encouragement... paiseh... :p

eh, stanley from SP is an all rounder wor, i think they must give him an award le... lol!

[k-rex]

haha stanley is round mah. :guns:

[CMI]

are you sure stanley is an all rounder??
from what i observed he doesn't really make a good chaser
he is more suitable for defensive position
i think he will be a good keeper

[clarke]

actually the best all rounder i can tink of is ah hong...hes a keeper... at the same time he got speed and power...can zone quite well... and he is aggresive enough to chase... jus my point of view... and hes a good leader...

[tootz]

erm... sorry clarke, but who is ah hong?? he is which team keeper??

[clarke]

he's fro sp... captain of sp durin the last year champ.... low profile but we kno wat he's capable of...

[clarke]

sorry not last year.. paisie.... but he was once the captain... if u jus join the sport maybe u can ask ur seniors

[tootz]

ok thanks for the info....

[DART]

hi guys, i need to admit i am not a all rounder player like CMI said. i am only lucky to be able to pickup bits n pieces of the individual position. i make use of my experience(even though it is not very long) to play so i can fit into each position with the min requirement. in terms of speed n agressiveness, i lost to a big pool of ppl.. so dun say that i am an all rounded player.. glad that u guys say that i tried n train hard.. i guess i am at my down period so i am currently a stagnant player who can only play slower than usual.. heez.. actualli being a good player is easier to say then to be done.. most importantly, u played to your best effort during each game played.. how will u fare during the game is not as impt as how much effort u put into the game play.. a good player shld be able to blend into any team n not expecting the team to blend into u.. so guys remember.. play the game together with your team n not play a lonesome game.. good luck guys.. :bfire: :withstp:

[Nihplod]

Very true stan...

Speaking of a good player, what's good?

Questions:
One who plays well in his position?
One who plays well in all position? or
One who plays well with his team?

So who's good? The team or you?
:smilehat:

My teammates and I are not the best players in Singapore, but when it comes to competition, we look at which is the best team instead of best player. :)

[clarke]

wellsaid... no5...
we dun have the best player in singapore but we play like a team...
even when we have our differences.... we are all ready to put it aside cos brotherhood is more important...

the game which speak most for it is i tink the game against nus2 in semis durin the champ....

the game just started...and within 2 minutes ah wee got pro wit his boat.. den came the worst situation.. u got a deep cut on ur hand...our confidence was hit...down to only 5 man in jus 2 minutes...i felt hot and luckily we score 1st... i turn to look for u in the crowd.. just wan to see him...and not knowinly i jus raise my hand in honour of u... it was hard for u to see us play while nursin ur wound..den against the protests u came down to play... and told me u rather the wound to get worse den not to play wit us..... and from that moment i never regret comin to sp to play canoepolo wit u all guys....

even wit the best coach.... he can never teach us experience and togetherness...

ONE FOR ALL,ALL FOR ONE... :headbang:

[Fievel]

it was hard for u to see us play while nursin ur wound..den against the protests u came down to play... and told me u rather the wound to get worse den not to play wit us..... and from that moment i never regret comin to sp to play canoepolo wit u all guys....
by clarke




wah... you hav been regretting aH! :withstp:

[Nihplod]

Haha! Maybe he wants to join another school for another person for another purpose. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. :cheers:

[k-rex]

Ermmm. we know that girl dun we? :sleep:

[Nihplod]

I did not say it is a girl or a guy or player... Don't blame me for anything clarke. :p

[clarke]

its almost a year since the last championship...

singapore has been rather quiet... so maybe we can start some topic talking again...since the last time simon set up this thread, there have been a increase of ppl playing this sport. so there must be a player u admire or respect. use this chance to pay tribute or watever way u wish...i will start the ball rolling ...

i m rather lucky to play with some of sg special players.theres a few player who influence and set a role model for me... on top of the list is simon. i remember more than 3 years ago while i was still learning to go straight, simon came over and make me look like a fool (i will spare u the details)i have learn alot of things from him and gather that hes also a good fren.he make things in training looks easy. and he will not hestite to spread his knowledge. always the senior and fren who command respect from me.

how can i leave out the trio of de bang, stanley, jon lam, ah wee , jackson and jacky? ah bang, stan and jon was my senior and they show me the meaning of winning doesnt come without hardwork.even with the limited no of ppl in their team, they just train harder and harder to compensate. look at the result... with any of them in ur team, u stand a better chance.esp de bang, i dun tink i need to explain further.

next in line is jackson and jacky, the best defense gay partners i ever sees.they started slightly later den me and we have played together for some time.i dun wish to say much bout they cos i might be bias as they are my good pals and teammates.hahaha....

next will be my super baby aka as gentle giant.ah wee...he's getting bigger.he used to be my partner in getting the team going. stronger den most ppl playing in sg. fast and scary. but the nice part is he seldom lose his temper unlike me.hee... and i make sure he make alot of frens while playing.

i know i have been bragging bout my senior and teammates, but its wat i saw week in week out. so i hope its not too boring.

i cant comment much bout the rest cos i tink it will not be fair.
not in order
..ezwan( the best and most consistent keeper in sg and no one come near him in keeping)
..guotong( 1st player i want to beat)
..andrew from red tide
..kenneth ( very moltivated to beat ezwan, and hes catching up)
..wee hong( best in speed but hes still young)
..ah liang( aka gentle giant but tough nut to crack)
..neo hong giap(was the master of shooting in sg and theres more to his game)

i know i have left out alot of players but these are the players i admire and respect. and cast a deep impression.
come to tink of it i belong to the 4th generation of player. may the flame of passion burns on.:D

[CMI]

i think in canoepolo having skill, strength and speed does means a lot in the game but i think playing the game with sportsmanship is much more important than anything...i believe that a lot of players can become very good after a few years of intensive training but how many of them actually played the game with good sportmanship behaviour?

let's take for example, team A is awarded the ball because team B committed, let's say a 5 second violation but they DID NOT at least leave the ball at the point where the foul is committed instead they throw it to somewhere so that team A have to spend extra time to retrieve the ball and team B have enough time to go back to their zone for defence...is that a sportsmanlike behaviour???

if there is really a best player in singapore, i think this person be it a guy or a lady should not only excel in skill and fitness but also their behaviour in the game and most importantly don't be a SORE LOSER

[Naseer]

i've played canoe polo for one year and have seen so many players that are good in S'pore even those from JCs are quite good if u've seen the recent 3 on 3 comp.

i wont say much for SP coz there are too many good players like jacky, jackson, ah wee, walter, wee keong to name a few, wait others think im too bias...Anyway i'd like to thank my seniors for the invaluble experiences they've given me during training week in and out.
How true CMI....For sportsmanship cheershttp://www.canoepolo.com/forum/darkblueicons/images/icons/icon10.gif to Red Tide during my first SRRR competition which was held this year, even though we were kind of the whipping boys of the group they showed my team respect and sportsmanship:thumbup: like we were one of the top teams around, they smiled, shook hands with us and even said "Good Game!" http://www.canoepolo.com/forum/darkblueicons/images/icons/icon10.gif that game really was one of my most memorable games even though i played very few games so far:p

[k-rex]

My choice of best male players in Singapore will go to the following people :

Libang (SP) - Speed monster who will capitalize on the mistakes that a keeper made during the game. Good shooter of the ball with tricks up his sleeves

Simon (SP) - Fantastic zoner with exceptional vision.

Stanley (SP) - The "Link Man" for the team. Good passer of the ball.

Jonathon (SP) - A fast player with a mean shooting skill.

Ezwan (SP) - Without a doubt the best keeper that ever appeared in S'pore.

Ah Liang (SP) - Aggressive and good shooting skill.

Ah Giap (SP) - One of the best shooter around in S'pore

Walter (SP) - What can i say? A can of 100 plus to you anytime. =)

Jacky (SP) - One of the best defensive zoner in S'pore. Best partner of the keeper.

Jackson (SP) - Attacking zoner with a good vision and speed.

Andrew (NUS) - A player that i got to know during national squad training. Read the game very quickly and very consistent throughout the game. Seldom see him make mistakes.

Tong Li (NUS) - Long shot is so accurate that it capitalize the other team on the break almost 80% of the time.

Dinesh (NUS) - Best performer during the SRRR 2004. Very skillful and good shooter of the ball.

Guo Tong (Red Tide) - One of the best player that i had ever met. One who can pass even when capsize and a good shooter of the ball too.

These are just my personal opinions. You may see that there are a lot of players from SP. But these are the players that i play with week in week out.

[CMI]

talking about being the best player in SG i think K-REX should be labelled the best. Afterall, the typing and reply he made in this forum i think he is just trying to be humble and hopefully one day there will be a person like me who comes out and praise him for his superb goal keeping skills and ultimate unsportsmanlike behaviour :eek:

[k-rex]

talking about being the best player in SG i think K-REX should be labelled the best. Afterall, the typing and reply he made in this forum i think he is just trying to be humble and hopefully one day there will be a person like me who comes out and praise him for his superb goal keeping skills and ultimate unsportsmanlike behaviour :eek:
Hi to Mr CMI,
The main purpose of this reply that i had made to the thread is to praise those that i think are the best players in s'pore. Never for once did i try to be humble to get your "praise." I admit that i am very cocky when i play. But those who know me will know that it is only part of my game play. In real life i am just another normal guy. As for the unsportsmanlike behaviour that u mentioned earlier, so far i had not received any cards during game. I do not understand wat makes u tink i am unsportsman. But i do think that u r a very honourable sportsman. To come here and put somebody down is not easy. But u did succeed. Good job! :thumbup:

[clarke]

what is sportsmanship? how do we define that? is there a correct definition? or its jus one of the many grey area.
the best example of sportsmanship i can tink of is Paolo Di Canio's sporting behaviour in a West Ham v Everton match - when he passed up a great scoring opportunity as the keeper was lying injured on the ground . at that time his team was not leading if i remember correctly and while the ball was being cross in, he notice the keeper lying motionless on the ground. he grabbed the ball that was cross in to him with his bare hand.dun forget i m talking bout soccer( a game played with the legs). was wondering whether CMI can do a act of divine of sumtink similar since he seems to be sumone strong in the belief of sportsmanship.whereas if we are talking bout time wasting and stuff then i tink 95% of ppl have done it before,cos in today game the pace have become faster and Instead of trying to maximize winning by attempting to score, teams minimize losing by attempting to limit the opponent's scoring opportunities, while being ready to capitalize on mistakes in order to score themselves. They hope to exploit a few blunders and then run out the clock. That doesn't seem to fit the spirit of sport. Why play not to play? i believe in miyoshi, top team might also time waste to their own advantage. top coach might instruct his player to spoil the momentum of the opponent.

time wasting have developed itself as a part of game plan. so i guess its not a issue of sportsmanship. as long a person do not cross the line and pushes his luck hoping to test the ref limits and patient i guess time wasting is quite acceptable even thou i know i will also make a fuss like CMI if i m the recieving end but i guess no point in dwelling in it too long , jus move on.



must not be thought of as a gentle or meek way of accepting defeat or willingly bowing or giving in to defeat. It's having the character and strength to know you have been beaten by a better dancer/s and realising that more application to the task of winning is needed. Sportsmanship is also having the good manners to congratulate your victor without making excuses for why you lost - a humble attitude with a determined quest to reach the top.
www.geocities.com/danceinfosa/disadics.html (http://www.geocities.com/danceinfosa/disadics.html)



Playing hard but fair, working as a team, appreciating the opportunity to compete, not kicking someone when they’re on the ground, helping a teammate or an opponent up after a penalty or goal and hoping the other team plays their best. When we’re not playing we watch the game and cheer good play, even if it is the other team. We encourage each other to do well and we always shake our opponents’ hands after games. We are not playing just to win, we are playing to do our best, enjoy the competition and have fun.
www.kcslsoccer.org/glossary.htm (http://www.kcslsoccer.org/glossary.htm)



The quality inherent in playing a game in which one is honor bound to follow the spirit and letter of the rules. Sportsmanship rules are rules of conduct, explicitly written or implicitly believed, that adhere to this principle.
www.educ.uidaho.edu/stoll/glossary.htm (http://www.educ.uidaho.edu/stoll/glossary.htm)



fairness in following the rules of the game
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as u can see that the definition of sportsmanship is not a one answer. so its a spirit within a player. jus bear in mind stay focus in ur own game and dun be bother in wat the opponent does. if u do then i guess u are letting the team down already.

i feel it for k-rex. as a senior of his i tink i bear responsiblities for wat he receive from CMI. but it comes to show wat kind of person CMI is. i apologise for wat causes u to be so offensive in ur words.i guess u are much older than him so leave him alone.i feel u have gone too far this time.:thumbdown but i also pity u cos u are behaving like a girl. if u are not happy, appoarch him directly. as for me, i fear u not.

[Naseer]

Well i maybe a small fry in canoe polo but i agree with clarke here, u may think i say this because he is my senior or whatever but it is sad but true to what he says i mean in every team game most of the time pple play like that you can do anything about it and i think CMI u yourself would have played like that before...well i may have nvr seen u play canoe polo before but if i ever see u play in the coming polo opens lets see u play 'with sportsmanship'.

that i'm sure u cant do that........
as for the other comment u made watch out:thumbdown ....its not nice to say things like that unless u play like a person with "sportsmanship" and play better than any player in the national team...it would be best if u kept those comments to yourself.just my :twocents:

and lets quit this argument on sportsmanship here.....whats the point anyone of you guys could just argue till thy kingdom comes:eek: and still be arguing...

p.s even though i maybe a small fry around here, i defend kenneth because he is my good senior in canoe polo and my friend!!!and if u are not happy bout it:p

[IaMnOkId]

talking bout sportsmenship i guess i would have to gib two thumb ups to red tide for they had shown me great sportsmenship during last yrs SRRR when i juz started out playin polo they took the initiative to shake our hands n gave us many great encouragments ~!
anyway as for wat CMI had said to k-rex it seems like it was juz a bad case of sour grapes ~! maybe CMI shld come out n glorify his " GREAT SPORTSMENSHIP BEHAVAVIOUR" soo we shld all gib some praises to CMI as well.......sounds like CMI was pretty deprive of praises himself or might it have been that K-rex had forgotten to pay tribute to CMI as one of the greatest players of all time anyway wat ever the case is i guess its kinda bad n obviously lackin in sportsmanship that a polo player had to put down another polo player in this forum soo whoever CMI is if u think k-rex has bad sportsmenship u probably have worse ~!

[swift]

I am for what clarke, naseer and IaMnOkId said. :D

So we reckoned that CMI is a sportsman with "great sportsmanship".
If not why is he here to exercise his salivary glands, oh wait, it's the fingers (pardon me)... to put people down.

If you give respect you gain respect, when you don't you just get s-h-i-t.

If you are in the National Team, I do feel for the team because your coach had groomed someone who so "proudly" speak of "sportsmanship" when he actually know nuts about it. :thumbdown

I am so sorry to say you are talking like a girl, behaving like a gu-niang.
I so pity you. :thumbdown

If you do think that you are so that great that you can come and put people down. You better try harder to break k-rex keeping in the coming National Champs if not the next. In my point of view, he is a very good keeper who gives his 100% in all his game. Undoubtfully, someone who takes pride in his position.

CMI, you are such a pooor thing. I guess your singapore team mates have forgotten to pay tribute to YOU (CMI) as one of the greatest players of all time and thats why you had to go to such drastic extremes for that speck of attention.

As what IaMnOkId mentioned -
its obvious lack in sportsmanship that a polo player had to put down another polo player in this forum.


Do not speak of others when you are nothing much there yet.

In other words, you are no where there. So learn to keep personal judgements to yourself. stop disgracing yourself by proclaiming what a great sportman you are.

peace man! :thumbdown

[IaMnOkId]

seeing the reply from the msian team i suddenly remember i had to pay a tribute to u guys too thanxs for coming down to play with us for the 3 on 3 its a totally great experience playing with u guys n to the one whom i exchange the jersey with THANXS A MILLION ~!~(the jersey is safely kept in my wardrobe ;) ) its a totally great experience seeing u guys play n u guys have shown great sportsmanship ~!~ CHEERS TO THE MSIAN TEAM ~!~

[canoe23]

No one mention the old players.....so i thought i should mention a few

from last time...before 1999/2000

Keat Yeow (Ken, NUS ah lao, the more lao ah lao)
Siong Hoe (NUS Capt 1999 i think)
Dave (ex-NUS Keeper)
Jason (ex-NUS Speed monster)
Andrew the Ang Mor from Latvia.

Cheng (NUS Vice Capt 1999/2000)
Harrold(NUS Capt 1999/2000)
Dr. CAB Kang (NUS)

MArk (SP water polo/Lifeguard/canoepolo 1999), one of the better shooter back in those days)

Kendrick (SP CApt 1998 i think)
David Wan(SP Capt 1999 i think)
Ah Teck (SP Capt 2000 i think)

some of the above players i'm sure u have not heard of...but back in those days when hand tackle was unheard of and when helmets had no face mask, these guys rules.....

and of course, Our Chief Ref Ah Ray.....Is your BMW still Running???

[Backup]

eh..i tink np hasnt been mentioned...not that we're really good either...but we have our own prodigy...hahah...she shall be revealed in time..whereas the rest:

action man:incredible stunts at the expense of losing his memory
johnny bravo: muscular but sometimes quite aimless
superman:not exactly much...but he's the big blue boy scout
batman:silent leader with incredible shootin power n scaring technique
fatboy slim:the unappointed leader with a fast lip n itchy finger
professor x:the lame 1 who sits there n uses his mind n shoots like a rubberband
mightmouse:left the team for the commandos
JOHNNY:our brute force combined
astroboy:reincarnated


ok...u all may not noe who these ppl r...u will soon....ahhaha..
we assure u they r not fictatious but real ppl wif nicknames...u shall witness the full power of all of us combined...once more np shall shine

The phoenix is borne in fire.Therefor it has to die before it can grow.

[CMI]

after reading all the replies from you ppl, all i can say is that all those who speak up for k-rex is based on only one side of the story. i don't deny that wasting time wisely is part of the game nowadays in order to gain certain advantage for the team during COMPETITION...afterall everyone wants to win...but down here i am talking about things beyond competition....and you ppl out there who knows nothing about what i am talking then better stop poking your nose into other ppl business...esp to :thumbdown MR MALAYSIAN :thumbdown , basically i think you know nothing about what i am talking so you better don't jump to your own conclusion!!! back to the topic...i can really understand why ppl want to waste time wisely during COMPETITION and i have no comments about that...but i don't see the need to practise that during training. don't tell me that nowadays ppl need to practise time wasting during training so that they know how to waste time during competition??? allow me to quote a scenario here...team A and team B, team A scored and the coach says "last ball !!" team A purposely dribble the ball to the middle of the pool slowly so that team B have to wait. the lights are going to switch off any minute. so is team A wasting training time or wasting a game time???...don't forget we have a game clock during competition...but during training, the game time and training time is the same. another scenario, team A is passing ball outside the zone hoping to delay time so that they can conserve energy and win the game. i think it is perfectly normal. just another game tactic. so i wonder if team A is a sore loser here or am i the sore loser here??? and to naseer don't be surprised if i can tell you right in your face that i have nv done any of the above mentioned behaviour just because i am losing a game or because i want to win badly...and most importantly i nv throw the ball(while acting inncocent) far away so that the opponent needs more time to retrieve the ball...whereas i can see that nowadays more and more ppl are doing such act by using stern dip and paddles "unintentionally" !!!

[Backup]

huh?arnt we all supposed to be talkin about our views on the best player not the fair player?if it were fair player then i'd say its stanley cos he's like not tan at all lor....like so white....ok...(im so goin to die at trainin)...but then again...this shld be a frenly post....i speak on behalf of my brain which is 2 inches from the skull now...then again i mite not have a brain....its kinda pain in the brain when such conflicts arise...no point....we play...we see...to each his own....no 1 is right....or we would all be God in someway....n it cannot be an eye for an eye...or none will be left with sight...i hope im making some sense here...im young...im naive...so sue me.....but it doesnt take alot to see how degrading this whole process has been..it takes a child to see such arguements n cry...we wont cry...but maybe some kid just did...spare a tot for tat kid

[k-rex]

after reading all the replies from you ppl, all i can say is that all those who speak up for k-rex is based on only one side of the story. i don't deny that wasting time wisely is part of the game nowadays in order to gain certain advantage for the team during COMPETITION...afterall everyone wants to win...but down here i am talking about things beyond competition....and you ppl out there who knows nothing about what i am talking then better stop poking your nose into other ppl business...esp to :thumbdown MR MALAYSIAN :thumbdown , basically i think you know nothing about what i am talking so you better don't jump to your own conclusion!!!

to naseer don't be surprised if i can tell you right in your face that i have nv done any of the above mentioned behaviour just because i am losing a game or because i want to win badly...and most importantly i nv throw the ball(while acting inncocent) far away so that the opponent needs more time to retrieve the ball...whereas i can see that nowadays more and more ppl are doing such act by using stern dip and paddles "unintentionally" !!!
Dear Mr CMI,
I guess that you are one of the players from SP alumni. May i ask you what have i done "BEYOND COMPETITION" that makes you think i do not have any sportsmanship. Maybe the taunting for you to shoot? Haha. Anyway i don't care whether you like it or not. I am going to do it today during training. During competition and most importantly everytime i play! What are you going to do? You can't do anything. Wait.. there is something you can do. BREAK MY PADDLE SO THAT I CAN'T BLOCK YOUR BALL! ;)
1 last thing I hope i can see you playing with "SPORTSMANSHIP" everytime you get into the pool. Because we will be watching..:eek:

[M@D]

Its nice to see that some things don't change,
Everyone still likes to make sarcastic remarks against each other
in the forum.

My nomination goes to
Most Skilled+Experience Player: Keat Yeow aka Ken aka ++

Ex SP Players
Most Versatile Player in SP: Teo Yong Teck aka Ah Teck (1997-2000)
Act of Fame: Had a good showing in all 3 positions through 3 NCPC

Most Gu Player in SP: Ah Boon (??-1999)
Act of Fame: Ran over a capsized boat during 1st NCPC

Most Flamboyant Player in SP: Wang Yong Liang aka Ah Liang (1997-2000)
Act of Fame: Victory sign before shooting (but sometimes don't score)

Best Keeper in SP: M. Ezwan aka Michael (1997- 2003?)
Act of Fame: Lowest goal rate, only let in 1 goal in 1st NCPC qualifying rounds (that goal because I screw up)

For ah bang and friends, no nominations because ......

:wavey:

[canoe23]

How are things down under???

Most active Sia Gan Master (Team Manager)
1. Ah Tat (KL regatta July 03 & Oceania Oct 03)
2. Wan Sie (World Champs, JAPAN July 2004) under 35 *C hot sun :cool:

[Lek]

does it really matter who's the best? why are we here after all?
that u enjoy the game?
or some other reason out there....
But as for me, to be frank, it doesn't mater who's the best, cos we are all here for the fun of the game, remember when i was first introduced to this game, TECK, LIANG, TAT, EZWAN .... they always tell us "ENJOY THE GAME". NO DOUBT i do cherish what was taught to me, and I STILL LOVE THIS GAME!
So, what for waste our time squabbling about who's the best? Everyone's good in their own way.... and with all do respect, everyone's the best! thats why this game rocks!


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Enjoy the game, and now be a slave to the game......

[Winkie]

Best player for me at the moment should be : Tong Lee
Cos of his all round ability, and he should be in form after coming back from Worlds...

Best player in SGP i've seen: Mr Chan Sik Lung , My coach
Lagi best lah, not for him how would he have inspired SP top players :cheers: cheers to tt ! ...

anyway to all SP mates better jia you , lazy bums u ! hahazzz

Just any few cents worth of me tots...:twocents:

[Tong Lee]

errr...... u think too highly of me liaoz....... I'm certainly not the best player in Singapore and I'm definitely far from it.

The best player in Singapore right now should be Andrew, capt of the Miyoshi team. Seen Libang in training recently and feel that if he can get back to his fittest, he'll be the best player. And there's also Kok Tong, who's an excellent all-round player as well.

Tong Lee
p.s. - btw, who r u, winkie?

[canoe23]

hmm....wink is ah wee lor...


BFG....Big :eek: Giant....

[Nihplod]

There's been so much going on since my last visit on the web. It's really exciting and sensationally breathtaking especially in this thread to have read so much confrontation that are done upfront yet discreetly.

I could not help it but to share some of my thoughts. I'd seen many good players through my 3 years of canoe polo but has yet to say that any of us can be define as a world class player in Singapore. To come close, we need to have the speed of the fastest player, swiftness, strength and all other abilities that can be found in different players in our country. Furthermore, I feel that a fantastic player can do what others have yet to be able to fulfil. Unless that person possesses extraordinary talents or abilities like able to shoot and gets the paddle break everytime, if not then nothing seems impossible as long as you are devoted and is durable in this sport.

It's a learning process for me still, and I believe that even the best player will say the same for himself. Anyway, IT'S A TEAM GAME, which can create another few threads like the best team in SG, Most fastest playing team in SG bla bla bla.... Then you can even comment on the Most sportmanship playing team in SG. Oops speaking of that, I had better not start it again. I agree that I am not very sportmanship if I were to be told off, but hey! That's not too bad after all! :wavey:

[Fievel]

and you ppl out there who knows nothing about what i am talking then better stop poking your nose into other ppl business...esp to :thumbdown MR MALAYSIAN :thumbdown
Respect is to be earned. Now I certainly dun give a damn about you. This is very rude of you to phrase it this way. He do hav his own nick. I dun think you are that blind.

What Kenneth does is attacking opponents "psychologically". When opponents' mental is down, about 50% is confidence has gone. And so, obviously Kenneth's team has a higher chance of winning. Its part of the game.
[If Kenneth is unsportsman-like, he would have said things such as "your team sucks", "you sure u trained for this competition?", "thanks for your points!", "No kick!" after the game.]

Since you are unable to fight this game mentally, please do bark up or quit. Stop whining, cause it will bring you to nowhere. Grow up. Dun be a spoilt brat.

I'm Jackson. Identify yourself CMI.
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Sorry guys for bringing this up.

[Naseer]

Reply to CMI:

Like i said im fairly new here only played for how long?1yr? so how trying to scare me like that doesnt work man...coz i got nothing to lose i admit even as a newbie i've been taught( and unshamefully) done some of this "unintentional" stuff...and frankly i nvr believe someone can be so angelic to behave so sporting a manner like you but if u say u are such a 'sporting' player then what can i do? Good for you then and like kenneth say we'll be watching:eek: some times it is hard to live up to wad u say so pls dun embaress urself...esp if u happen to be my senior even worst....and of course the thing may sound one sided have u used any of ur brains:confused: kenneth is my good senior he taught me canoe polo of course i would come to the defence of helping him and unless u know him better then i do then what can i say?

and to help our malaysian friend here i think its pretty rude of CMI here to do that, i mean do u only think that other country teams are as sporting as u CMI?i think not and everyone has a right to put wat they want in a forum right?unless u make it private....

Just a reminder im very new to this game here so if u think u can come and tell me things in my face well big deal, i'll be waiting for u to tell me then maybe you can come and teach me ur "sporting" play!!

[clarke]

its ok to bring this up but i hope in private. its much better that way. but the best is to forget the whole matter since its already over.( kenneth said he doesnt care much). naseer leave this to jackson and cmi. if u want a explanation den like u say in private. ok?;)

[Naseer]

no prob, just that it was uncalled for....anyway if cmi replies to my comment like i said big deal i wouldnt be bothered by it this time. But if he has an issue, cmi can find me personally during training at the pool.

[No. 3]

Hi CMI.. not siding any side.. but CMI, mayb u can identify urself :rolleyes: n next time during any competition, we can all see how 'sporting' u are.. n mayb u can teach us all, show us da 'sporting' behaviour of urs..
for dribbling slowly at middle of da pool wen leading, its just part of da game.. other sports do that too, like soccer for an example :), its just part of da game, its a way to keep possession, opponent team can go out to get da ball if dey wan also..
for throwing ball far away during defence is common too, its jus trying to defend da goal.. i dun see any thing wrong.. wen u r desperately defending a goal during da last min with ppl pressuring, sumtimes we jus hafta throw it out, i'm i rite?... or mayb u can teach me a better method, wld like to know if there is also:D ..
every1 has their own style in da game.. no-one can say one is wrong.. kenneth's method is not say unsporting.. its jus some psycho thingy.. frankly. sometimes, its fun to see da way he play n how opponent reacted.. hahahaha.. no offense huh kenneth :thumbup:.. cheers~

[clarke]

thanks no 3 for speaking up for kenneth. but i tink cmi understand wat we are trying to say. lets give him the benefit of doubt. and spare him the rod. at least hes being keeping it low. so i tink enough is enough liao. we just wait and see before the whole matter gets worst. ( dun add oil to fire) hee...:D of cos its ur right to speak up.

[RipCurl]

CMI if u're from sp, no need to make up a fuss here, tok to us during training and we'll tok about it, no point toking here, hearing stories here and there. i tink it's about time to end this unsportsmanship topic, pls, our reputation is at stalk. don ruin SP man.:thumbup:

[clarke]

finally sumone speak my view. thats wat i m trying to say.... "family problem is best kept within the family" u get wat i mean....

[IaMnOkId]

totally agree with clarke ~! cmi i think if u r seriously still unhappy bout all these issues u should come and approach us during training and talk about it lets keep all these matters within out sp family instead of arguein over the forum juz makes the forum look pretty unsightly and unfriendly :thumbup:

[Naseer]

Yah agree with the rest here, and to cmi paiseh ah its just that ur comments really touched a nerve here....:o

[zhanwei]

Yea~! Guyz.. heck care lahz we'r here to relax n haf fun~! if CMI realli our alumini i think he wun be here to tok bad or insult our Sp playerz. let us all unite n 4get abt dose conflict~! so much energy to quarrel, y not save for the next training.. hahha juz kidding :p

[Fievel]

Yah agree with the rest here, and to cmi paiseh ah its just that ur comments really touched a nerve here....:o
His spark caused an explosion!! :p

[Nihplod]

It's been a week and still this topic is here to stay!

If he indeed is what i consider sportsman-like he won't be saying all that to our foreign friend publicly, and i think he is really tired of debating it anyway since he is keeping himself low and pondering in a corner what's the point of carrying on this conversation when it is so subjective to one side. ;)

Life goes on!!!