Restart following a goal

[clyde]

A couple of years ago, a new rule in Handball took care of the situation of time wasting following a goal being scored. Currently the clock is stopped following a goal in Canoe Polo, but this simply makes the whole thing take longer and gives the players a bit of a rest. Well they can rest by subing if they need it that much !
Anyway, have a think about this just to start with...

Following a goal the team taking the centre restart throw may do so as soon as the ball is thrown from a stationary player anywhere along the half way line. Once the players are ready to take their centre restart throw, they will present the ball at arms reach and the referee will blow the whistle. The team with posession may not advance over the half way line before the whistle is blown.
The position of their opposition is not important (even if they are returning to their own half slowly).

The point of the whistle is just to ensure the ref is happy with the advancing teams position. If the newly attacking players were allowed to go forward of the line then the game would simply be played with goal hangers - which we don't want to encourage.
The ref would help the game to flow quickly by blowing their whistle as soon as the ball was brought up anywhere along the halfway line.

I think this would help the game take on much more pace at a time where the game is particularly slow. This would increase the need for fitness - so should actually increase the use of subs to make better use of the team as a whole.

Your comments....

[conor]

Interesting commentary Clyde,
This could very well create an advantage for the team which has just conceded a goal. If the team which has just scored are slow in retreating, the team with possession could take advantage and attack the opponents goal with a brief advantage in player numbers.

This, as you point out could speed up the game. It may be necessary for a rule to state that all players must return to their own half before re-commencing an attack. This would rule out goal hangers.

One down side may be in a game with one strong team against a much weaker team, when the stronger teams players only play half a ptich, ie their attackers only play in the opponents half, retreating to the half way line every time a goal is scored and the defenders defend with limited numbers and on regaining the ball send a long pass up to the attackers.

Unfortunally this kind of mis-match up of teams only seems to occur in major competitions such as the worlds and inter-contintenial champs, ie remember Netherlands V Argintenia in Brazil 2000!!! In many National leagues etc, teams are more evenly matched based on the division they are competiting in.

At present, cannot a ref warn a team for slow retreat after a goal is scored, espically when the attacking team is ready to being quickly?

Conor

[clyde]

Of course the clock should be automatically stopped, same as for a ref's ball and GPS, but this just increases the amount of time required to stage an event.

Ref's can issue a Green Card to a player clearly wasting time, but that in itself takes time.

My point of the ref blowing their whsitle to confirm the throw to be taken was to monitor the position of the attacking plaers (they must be in their own half) for the very reason you suggest.

For me, this creates an increase in play at a time when there is not.
Also the anticipated lack of rest would likely involve the subs more, which I think is also good.

Trouble is, we need to try this like any other rule to see how it works.
In Handball, when the club I was in first played it, it changed thing alot.
I had to stop for a start as there was no longer an opportunity for a rest.

[TheMasterG]

Not a bad idea at all, it would definetly speed up the game.
Like Conor, I'm curious about how it would pan out with one team being significantly stronger than the other, I can see games played almost entirely in one half.
Example: strong team scores, immediatly marks the weaker team 5 on 5 in their own half. The ball is thrown up to the middle of the pitch to be retaken but the weaker team is already completely man-marked in their own half before the restart. The resulting game could be that the weaker team barely leave their own half and the strong team never really have to defend their own goal :eek:
Sounds kinda tough on weaker teams but maybe it should be, who knows. It would be interesting to see it played at a comp though.

[clyde]

I think Conor's accent in his writing made me miss his main point.
The Master G has put me straight on this though.

Now I understand full what you both mean.

The only time I have seen this is in Handball - while playing to it, and playing the game before the rule was introduced.
Handball doesn't see a lot of team wide man on man marking, so that issue wasn't apparent.

I just need to find a suitable event to try this to see how it works in practice.

Incidently, the reason for me thinking this is a good idea is ..
1. When I'm on a team who want to score lots of goals for whatever reason.
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[Samba]

Well...

Could it be possible to make the fast restart optional?
It could be started as soon as they get the ball in the midde or
the restarting team could just wait that the members of the opposing team go to their own side, and then make the restart!
I mean that in the case of strong team vs. weak team, this would surely help the weaker team.
I think this way the game would still speed up!

-Samba:cool:

[clyde]

Good point.
But the ref has to determin that the team taking the restart are not time wasting though.

[Samba]

What I ment was...

That after the team whitch scored the goal moves on to their side of the pitch, the restarting team has those 5 seconds to make the restart! :thumbup:

-Samba

[roo]

Originally posted by clyde


Following a goal the team taking the centre restart throw may do so as soon as the ball is thrown from a stationary player anywhere along the half way line. Once the players are ready to take their centre restart throw, they will present the ball at arms reach and the referee will blow the whistle. The team with posession may not advance over the half way line before the whistle is blown.
The position of their opposition is not important (even if they are returning to their own half slowly).

The point of the whistle is just to ensure the ref is happy with the advancing teams position. If the newly attacking players were allowed to go forward of the line then the game would simply be played with goal hangers - which we don't want to encourage.
The ref would help the game to flow quickly by blowing their whistle as soon as the ball was brought up anywhere along the halfway line.

I think this would help the game take on much more pace at a time where the game is particularly slow. This would increase the need for fitness - so should actually increase the use of subs to make better use of the team as a whole.



Clyde, Later you say that one of your aims is to speed up the game so there is opportunity for the winning team to score more goals. So I think if I understand you correctly your main concern is that the team who have just conceded are slow to move the ball up to halfway?

I only restart when the team who just scored are in their own half, if the other team aren't ready usually the ball is nearly at the halfway by this point so I blow to restart (in training a slow team loses out here perhaps, but they soon learn ;-)). Remembering that the restart after goal is determined by a whistle with no need for the player to present the ball? (I'll check the rules now cos I keep forgetting that one.)

Usually I find that the team that just scored are usually back in their half ready to go again and the problem is the other slow moving demoralised team hoping to minimse goals against them. In a close match this is rarely a problem unless one of the teams is time wasting for a draw. Not the spirit of game I like to encourage if I have any clout.

hf
roo