Canoe Polo Rules

[D@r3d3ViL_G@V]

Hi guys i'm new here...
Well i've been playing Canoe polo for sometime... like to query on some rules... mind if u guys can help....
Well rules are different in many countries and i would like to ask whether placing the paddle in front of the person in the face is a foul? Some say yes some say no provided we move the paddle in a left - right motion???
hope to get some advice from u guys....Thanks
:gun: :cheers:

[Raymond Liow]

Hi D@r3d3ViL_G@V,

Indeed rules vary country to country. NZ is infamous for playing by its own set of rules esp in the case of a goal-line restart after a goal. However, the generic rules stay the same no matter if you're in Australia or Zimbabwe.

Two basic principles govern the rules in any kind of sport, in particular contact sports like canoe polo. They are:-

1. Fairness; and
2. Safety

If in doubt, simply refer back to these two chummies (F&S) and they'll very likely point you in the right direction.

In the case of your query, there are inherently two scenarios that I can paint.

1. Player placing paddle in front of face of an opponent
2. Goalkeeper (GK) placing paddle in front of face of an opponent

If you would refer to ICF Canoe Polo Rules 2003 (valid from 01 Jan 03), you'll find the following information in the clauses listed under 'Illegal Use of Paddle'. Please allow me to draw your attention in particular to the one that reads

Placing a paddle within arms reach of an opponent who has the ball in their hand. A goalkeeper is excluded from this rule and is allowed to directly defend against a shot at goal as long as the paddle is not moved towards the opponent at the time of the shot and is not used in a deliberately dangerous manner.

When a player places his paddle in front of the face of his opponent, his paddle will inadvertently be within arm's reach of the latter. This will result in a foul.

When a GK places his paddle in front of the face of his opponent, it will not be a foul PROVIDED the former does not move his paddle towards his opponent and does not use his paddle in a deliberately dangerous manner.

In the case where the paddle is waved left and right, the foul will be applicable to the player. However, it MAY not apply to the GK.

Why do I use the word 'may'?

It is because the rule states that a foul will not be applied to the GK if he does not move his paddle towards his opponent.

However, always bear in mind that F&S govern the rules which we adhere to. Safety tells us that it is SEVERELY dangerous to wave a paddle within arm's reach, be it towards, left or right, of any player. The second part of the clause then applies here. It therefore will likely be a foul.

Of course, I'm assuming all this while that the player has the ball in his hand(s). Now, what will apply if he does not?

Reading further down the rules, you'll notice another clause that reads

Any other use of a paddle that endangers a player.

The referee hence is vested with the power and authority by this rule to decide a foul upon the player in the case where he places/waves his paddle within arm's reach of a player who does not have the ball in his hand(s).

I hope this addresses your query.

Cheers :)

[wizkid]

Wah brother ....

You very the precise leh ... Anyway i think that person experience it during their trip over to Malaysia. Kinda shock when i heard them saying that the team over the other side do not call it a foul....
My question is if that guy place his paddle over my face and i find it very dangerous and the referee still have not blown his whistle, CAN i pull his paddle down just to ensure the safety of my own ???




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Wizkid

[Raymond Liow]

Originally posted by wizkid
Wah brother ....
You very the precise leh ...

Think it'll be to everyone's benefit if I try to be more comprehensive in my reply.

Originally posted by wizkid
My question is if that guy place his paddle over my face and i find it very dangerous and the referee still have not blown his whistle, CAN i pull his paddle down just to ensure the safety of my own ???

There are 2 scenarios in which the referee does not blow his whistle.

1. He's playing an advantage. (If he does not wave to indicate advantage, then I assume he forgot)
2. He does not notice the foul.

In the case of Scenario 1, the referee notices the foul and, in fact, decides to play on because he reckons the game will be to your team's benefit if he does not interrupt play. In this case, by pulling your opponent's paddle down, YOU WILL be the one commiting the foul. The referee now has the prerogative to decide if he should award a foul to you.

In the case of Scenario 2, the referee for some reason does not notice the foul. He may just notice you in time when you're pulling your opponent's paddle down. So I do not recommend you to try it.

Assuming that the situation really turns out to be dangerous and the circumstances there and then leaves you no choice other than to pull your opponent's paddle down, then I suggest you get ready to appeal to the Jury or speak to the referee amicably in private AFTER THE GAME.

[D@r3d3ViL_G@V]

thanks for clearing my doubt on the illegal paddle incident...
well canoe polo do haf rules that many country do not follow... should we educate all players wif the proper rules? hmmm...well there's another doubt tat i wpould want to clear, is a 5 second foul elligible for a direct shot? i recently experienced tat... i was awarded the foul... my shot was later disallowed...i'm very confused on when to give a free shot or possesion... :stupid: :bang:

[Raymond Liow]

Originally posted by D@r3d3ViL_G@V
thanks for clearing my doubt on the illegal paddle incident...
well canoe polo do haf rules that many country do not follow... should we educate all players wif the proper rules? hmmm...well there's another doubt tat i wpould want to clear, is a 5 second foul elligible for a direct shot? i recently experienced tat... i was awarded the foul... my shot was later disallowed...i'm very confused on when to give a free shot or possesion... :stupid: :bang:

No worries about the clearance of doubts.

It's true that several countries practise their own rules. Australia and NZ are fine examples. But very often, local rules are spin-offs from the ICF one so the differences are not as apparent.

Education of rules to all players is highly recommended. I've done a few workshops with NUS players regarding the rules. The feedback has been on the positive side so far.

Not too sure which team you're with but most teams in Singapore should have 4 or more SCF qualified referees. I've passed the message to them during the past courses that one of their duties is to pass their knowledge to their team mates. Hope the referee in your team is doing that on a continual basis.

If any team would like to have workshops on rules, pls contact me personally and we can work something out.

Regarding your 5-sec foul question. I'm not too sure of the scenario you're painting. Would you like to elaborate? If you find it troublesome to type the whole story out, you can get my contact number from your captain. We can discuss on the phone subsequently.

Cheers

[D@r3d3ViL_G@V]

Originally posted by Raymond Liow
No worries about the clearance of doubts.

It's true that several countries practise their own rules. Australia and NZ are fine examples. But very often, local rules are spin-offs from the ICF one so the differences are not as apparent.

Education of rules to all players is highly recommended. I've done a few workshops with NUS players regarding the rules. The feedback has been on the positive side so far.

Not too sure which team you're with but most teams in Singapore should have 4 or more SCF qualified referees. I've passed the message to them during the past courses that one of their duties is to pass their knowledge to their team mates. Hope the referee in your team is doing that on a continual basis.

If any team would like to have workshops on rules, pls contact me personally and we can work something out.

Regarding your 5-sec foul question. I'm not too sure of the scenario you're painting. Would you like to elaborate? If you find it troublesome to type the whole story out, you can get my contact number from your captain. We can discuss on the phone subsequently.

Cheers

Haha Thank you... :worship:
well i would like to know when will the next refereeing course be held? i would very much like to take up tat course letting me know more bout the rules...maybe u can arrange for a workshop wif other teams...
talking bout the 5sec foul, let's sat tat the player from the opposing team hold the ball in his zone for more then 5sec, referee blows a foul(change in possesion), i held up the ball and shoot it directly into the goal... but the referee disallow the goal saying that we can't shoot directly from a 5sec foul...is that true? cos i saw ppl from other teams doing the same thing wif their goal allowed...
Very confusing at times cos rules do differ from different team and refs....

[Tom]

Hi all in Singapore. Hope canoe polo is going well

On the 5 sec rule:

31. ILLEGAL POSSESION
Signals 11 and 15 apply.

Signal 11 - This shows the 5 seconds
Signal 15 is a free shot

Therefore the answer to your question is that illegal possession results in a free shot to the other team.

Tom

[Raymond Liow]

Originally posted by D@r3d3ViL_G@V
Haha Thank you... :worship:
well i would like to know when will the next refereeing course be held? i would very much like to take up tat course letting me know more bout the rules...maybe u can arrange for a workshop wif other teams...
talking bout the 5sec foul, let's sat tat the player from the opposing team hold the ball in his zone for more then 5sec, referee blows a foul(change in possesion), i held up the ball and shoot it directly into the goal... but the referee disallow the goal saying that we can't shoot directly from a 5sec foul...is that true? cos i saw ppl from other teams doing the same thing wif their goal allowed...
Very confusing at times cos rules do differ from different team and refs....

Thanx Tom :)
Hope things are going well in Ireland and the worldwide SARS scare is not hindering the Kildare games.

Hi D@r3d3ViL_G@V,

Believe Tom has answered your qn.

Regarding the course, I conduct one every year in preparation for the nationals in Aug/Sep. However, whether there is a nationals or not depends on the Canoe Polo Comm. So whether there is a course or not this year depends on the Comm too.

You'll hear wind of it if the Comm goes ahead with organising the nationals this year.

Are you from TP? Andrew is arranging with me to conduct a workshop. If you're not, pls let your captain know of your interest. I'm sure there are lots more in your team who are keen to learn and we can get something going.

[D@r3d3ViL_G@V]

hi there,
Nope me not from TP... haha... i'm from SP...

[D@r3d3ViL_G@V]

Well all this clear the air... thanks guy...

[Raymond Liow]

Originally posted by D@r3d3ViL_G@V
hi there,
Nope me not from TP... haha... i'm from SP...

It's fine if you're from SP. There are many experienced and patient referees in SP whom I'm sure will be very glad to answer your questions if you approach them.

[Winkie]

hi ! :bow:

i was wondering whether u n cheng could conduct a referee course like u did last yr for the various institutes....

cos its around 3 months +++ to the national champs..

hope it won;t be too tight on u guys' schedule :bang:
and it'll be good for those who are new to these sport to learn the proper rules n appreciate the game even more.....

i know i did :headbang:

Nway keep posting fellas..... lost track of the number of posts in the singapore forum.....TRAIN HARD.&.Pump SOmE iron :barbell:

[Raymond Liow]

Hi Winkie,

Very glad to know that you appreciate the course which we have been organising yearly. Sure I have plans to do one again this year.

Problem is the Ref course is usually a lead up to the nationals which traditionally have been held in July/Aug period.

The difference this year is the main organisers - Cheng and myself - have both started working. As you can see, both of us have plunged deep into our jobs and barely have time to kick-start meetings for the nationals.

What we badly need is new blood who can drive this. We have to constantly keep in mind that if we (the Canoe Polo community) don't do it, no one will do it for us.

I know we have a committee but help is never enough, is it? Anyone who would like to chip in to help?

[Winkie]

haha i believe there is a phobia in most singaporean in preferring to be a participant than an organiser..... tt includes me haha :D

i don't mind chipping in to organise the ppl in my institute to take part in the course.... i suggest tt perharps each institute shld have a person to liaise with the committee....

Perharps the national squad committee could work with u guys hand in hand to organise such activities...

Well i hope tt in the next polo meeting u guys can work out something with the various representatives of the different participating institutes....

And if u guys don;t mind me saying.... a more productive n shorter one... heehee cos i think the meetings sometimes too draggy hahaz.....

i apologise for my blunt but honest truth... :headbang: